Fake Covid Vaccination Cards Are on the Rise

[Unveiled Artist]

I've read of many factors, eg, blood type, age.
I expect that time will yield an improved picture
of associations.

I guess what I'm trying to say is what situations (I guess) do people put themselves in on RF, US, and the world (and so forth) that they are acceptable of getting COVID so easily?.... what exactly are they doing (or not doing) that would put them in such a position than their peers?

There's so many cases and said deaths that I'm sure there is something(s) in common other than age, blood type, that would lead a group of people to get COVID and others would not.

At least from how it's presented at least.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess what I'm trying to say is what situations (I guess) do people put themselves in on RF, US, and the world (and so forth) that they are acceptable of getting COVID so easily?.... what exactly are they doing (or not doing) that would put them in such a position than their peers?

There's so many cases and said deaths that I'm sure there is something(s) in common other than age, blood type, that would lead a group of people to get COVID and others would not.

At least from how it's presented at least.

Being in close contact with other people is a big factor.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Being in close contact with other people is a big factor.

I don't think everyone is in contact with people like that so viruses can easily jump to someone else.

I wouldn't think.

 

[ecco]

When they say "number X not vaccinated, they include those who have had COVID and don't need a vaccine.

Please show a report that shows how many people are not vaccinated.


Please show a report that that people who have had Covid don't need to get vaccinated.


From reliable sources, please.

 

[ecco]

This makes me wonder if businesses
edit.
should not give entry to the vaccinated since the vaccinated too have the potential to spread the virus due to the breakthroughs 'and' emergence of the ineffectiveness to protect against the delta variant. They're wondering if the vaccine effects would wear off and proposing maybe to get multiple testing. Maybe segregation would backfire, who knows.

We're going back to masks, so that says a lot about the vaccine not working for the new variant as we feel it does for the original COVID.

How can an adult not understand the difference between "many" and "few"?
How can an adult not understand the difference between 6% and 100%?
How can an adult not understand the value of reducing risk?

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think everyone is in contact with people like that so viruses can easily jump to someone else.

I wouldn't think.

I don't understand this.

 

[ecco]

This doesn't mean much because unvaccinated have always been at risk whether others are vaccinated or not.

What does that have to do with the report you touted which clearly stated...

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.​

You'd have to prove that the rise in the unvaccinated infections are not perceived relative to the vaccinated person's point of view, and not just from not being unvaccinated (before and after the vaccine was introduced).

Try to rewrite that so that it is more intelligible.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Smiley face was just for fun. I have had covid and don't need a vaccination.

... for the particular strain you had.

... for now.

... and with protection that isn't as good as a vaccine even for the strain you were infected with.

How Immunity Generated from COVID-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

 

[ecco]

Sadly some vaccinated think they can't catch or spread it. They have the I'm bullet proof mentality since they are vaccinated.

Sadly some unvaccinated make fun of people who are vaccinated but still take an extra precaution of wearing masks.

Actually, I know no one who fits your strawman description. In the middle of June, I went shopping a few times without a mask because the infection rates had dropped to very low levels. Now, if I do go into a store, I wear a mask because infection rates are soaring again.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What we do know is that vaccinated people can still get COVID. So... what is the difference?

- your immunity isn't as good as what you get from a vaccine.

- your immunity is not as effective against strains you didn't get sick with.

- your immunity wears off sooner than what you get with a vaccine.

That's the difference.

 

[ecco]

There have been 35.8 million cases and 614 thousand deaths.

Of those 35,800,000 people, roughly ten percent are "long haulers". 3,580,000 people suffering varying levels of ongoing aches and pains, physical and mental.

That's a lot more people and symptoms than everything (eg. a sore arm for a day) caused by the actual vaccine. And, for the most part, preventable.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't understand this.

Oh. I don't believe everyone is in such close contact that the virus will always transmit between people in a less populated environment.

 

[ecco]

Because the numbers in the general population is going to grow no matter what. It isn't a static thing. That makes it a poor predictor of how bad the disease is or will be.

Severe Outcomes Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19

As of March 16, (2020) a total of 4,226 COVID-19 cases had been reported in the United States, with reports increasing to 500 or more cases per day beginning March 14 (Figure 1). Among 2,449 patients with known age, 6% were aged ≥85, 25% were aged 65–84 years, 18% each were aged 55–64 years and 45–54 years, and 29% were aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). Only 5% of cases occurred in persons aged 0–19 years.

Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, start highlight36%end highlight were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years. Less than 1% of hospitalizations were among persons aged ≤19 years (Figure 2). The percentage of persons hospitalized increased with age, from 2%–3% among persons aged start highlight≤19end highlight years, to ≥31% among adults aged ≥85 years.

Among 44 cases with known outcome, 15 (34%) deaths were reported among adults aged ≥85 years, 20 (46%) among adults aged 65–84 years, and nine (20%) among adults aged 20–64 years. Case-fatality percentages increased with increasing age, from no deaths reported among persons aged ≤19 years to highest percentages (10%–27%) among adults aged ≥85 years
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As you said, things change.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What does that have to do with the report you touted which clearly stated...
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

In the article it focuses on how unvaccinated are infected (a focus or emphasis on how the infections are not only or highest on the unvaccinated). We have always been at risk of the virus just the vaccinated lowered their risk.

I read the report itself for context.

Try to rewrite that so that it is more intelligible.

It's in relation to the comment above. You can't separate it.

In order for the unvaccinated to be at higher risk (all of the sudden):

You'd have to prove that the rise in unvaccinated infection (as per article) are not perceived relative to the vaccinated person's perception.

Rather than the rise in COVID infections being dependent on vaccination in and of itself.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How can an adult not understand the difference between "many" and "few"?
How can an adult not understand the difference between 6% and 100%?
How can an adult not understand the value of reducing risk?

Got to state your point.

 

[ecco]

In order for the unvaccinated to be at higher risk (all of the sudden):

Are the unvaccinated: at higher risk (all of the sudden)?

...
You'd have to prove that the rise in unvaccinated infection (as per article) are not perceived relative to the vaccinated person's perception.

Please quote from the article those parts that support your comment.

...
...
Rather than the rise in COVID infections being dependent on vaccination in and of itself.

Huh? Clearly, I do not understand what you are trying to say.

 

[ecco]

Got to state your point.

My comments...

How can an adult not understand the difference between "many" and "few"?
How can an adult not understand the difference between 6% and 100%?
How can an adult not understand the value of reducing risk?​

...were in response to your...

should not give entry to the vaccinated since the vaccinated too have the potential to spread the virus

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We're going back to masks, so that says a lot about the vaccine not working for the new variant as we feel it does for the original COVID.

No, that's not what it means.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh. I don't believe everyone is in such close contact that the virus will always transmit between people in a less populated environment.

It needn't "always" transmit to be a severe problem.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Are the unvaccinated: at higher risk (all of the sudden)?


Please quote from the article those parts that support your comment.



Huh? Clearly, I do not understand what you are trying to say.

Don't separate the comments. Short posts go together in context just as the article does. A lot of quotes we disect, if it doesn't have its own point, it won't make sense.

Listen. I'm not trying to disprove your points.

Cool it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My comments...

How can an adult not understand the difference between "many" and "few"?
How can an adult not understand the difference between 6% and 100%?
How can an adult not understand the value of reducing risk?​

...were in response to your...

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No, that's not what it means.

The vaccines aren't working well with the new variant (they say it's more transmissible than the original COVID). Since we are going back to masks, I assume they're going to improve the vaccine or maybe create a new one that would fight against the new variant.

So far just quick google search I didn't see anything from the CDC or other experts about the numbers of the Delta Variant... but I assume if the vaccines work against it we wouldn't need to go back to masks. Seems like the vaccine is a temporary fix.

Again. Not to prove you wrong.