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Fascism - Why...

Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Secret Chief said:
... do so many Americans desperately want it?

("inspired" by the thread regarding Trump at the next election)
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Generally people accept fascism when they feel their world is devolving into chaos. Lawlessness, crime, etc.
They look to national unity and strong leadership to "save" the nation from going down the drain.

The more chaotic they see their world, the more they will be drawn to strong leadership.
imo
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Estro Felino said:
No...it's my personal opinion.
First Amendment, you know: they haven't abolished it yet.
As the OP is free to say that the GOP has some fascists among them, I have the right to say that some leftists are people who send Ukrainians to die, while staying safe and warm at home. :)
No double standards.
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Actually libel isn't covered as free speech, and you've done great deals of it with your trying to portray America (and now the Left) as the villians in Putin's invasion.
And I already checked. Italy also has laws against defemation.
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
Nakosis said:
Generally people accept fascism when they feel their world is devolving into chaos. Lawlessness, crime, etc.
They look to national unity and strong leadership to "save" the nation from going down the drain.

The more chaotic they see their world, the more they will be drawn to strong leadership.
imo
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I think so. It certainly seemed so to many Germans in the 1920s / 1930s.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Actually libel isn't covered as free speech, and you've done great deals of it with your trying to portray America (and now the Left) as the villians in Putin's invasion.
And I already checked. Italy also has laws against defemation.
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Whereas defining Trump a swine and a pig isn't libel? That is free speech?
:)
I give you some news: talking about undetermined people is not defamation.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Estro Felino said:
Whereas defining Trump a swine and a pig isn't libel? That is free speech?
:)
I give you some news: talking about undetermined people is not defamation.
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You've been smearing Americans for over a year now and saying it's our fault Ukraine is still fighting. Yeah, that's defemation.
Trump, his own words claim that racist, white supremacists ****s are good people.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
You've been smearing Americans for over a year now and saying it's our fault Ukraine is still fighting. Yeah, that's defamation.
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The topic is fascism...okay?
I think there are warmongers both among leftists and among rightists, overseas, so my question is:
isn't that fascist? being pro-war, no matter the cost?
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Secret Chief said:
That is completely irrelevant, whether true or false, to the fact that Ukrainians are fighting (literally) for their country.
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If someone found out that some American paid Zelenskyy to reject any peace proposal coming from Moscow and to keep fighting?
;)

I would be right.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
But the part about the speculators, the bankers and the financial élites...you omitted that part, right?
:)
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The greedy oligarchs in Russia agreed to pay for Putin's military attack on Ukraine in return for the right to exploit the captured territory for their own profit. When Putin's attack failed to succeed quickly, and the war began costing them far more money than they'd anticipated, some of them started complaining and threatening to stop funding his military. So he had them killed. As is his usual method of shutting up the opposition. So now they are secretly turning on him. They see that their greedy scheme has failed, and they are hemorrhaging money. Something rich oligarchs will not tolerate for long. So at this point they just want it to be over. And they have lost all hope of the big profitable payoff that Putin promised them. They made a deal with the devil, and now they're paying the price. Boo-hoo for the greedy oligarchs.

And this is what always happens when we think we can deal with fascist dictators and get ahead. All they EVER bring is destruction down on everyone. Trump is no different. All he has ever brought down of the people that were stupid or greedy enough to make a deal with him is destruction. Karma is sometimes painfully slow, but in the end it will have it's way.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
PureX said:
The greedy oligarchs in Russia agreed to pay for Putin's military attack on Ukraine in return for the right to exploit the captured territory for their own profit. When Putin's attack failed to succeed quickly, and the war began costing them far more money than they'd anticipated, some of them started complaining and threatening to stop funding his military. So he had them killed. As is his usual method of shutting up the opposition. So now they are secretly turning on him. They see that their greedy scheme has failed, and they are hemorrhaging money. Something rich oligarchs will not tolerate for long. So at this point they just want it to be over. And they have lost all hope of the big profitable payoff that Putin promised them. They made a deal with the devil, and now they're paying the price. Boo-hoo for the greedy oligarchs.

And this is what always happens when we think we can deal with fascist dictators and get ahead. All they EVER bring is destruction down on everyone. Trump is no different. All he has ever brought down of the people that were stupid or greedy enough to make a deal with him is destruction. Karma is sometimes painfully slow, but in the end it will have it's way.
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In the West there are no speculators, oligarchs, bankers...?
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
In the West there are no speculators, oligarchs, bankers...?
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Oh, the oligarchs in the west are making big money providing Ukraine with mountains of very expensive, very sophisticated missiles and tanks and drone weaponry. Weapons that Putin cannot replace as he uses them up because of the sanctions. (He can't get replacement components.) Putin was doomed the moment his incursion lasted more than a couple of months. The only question is how long he will sacrifice his own people's well-being because he can't face the humiliation of losing. My guess is they are going to have to kill him to stop him form destroying the whole of Russia for the sake of his ego. That's what fascist dictators do.

Here in the west, people are living in tents and under bridges so we can spend all our money buying missiles and tanks and high tech military stuff for Ukraine that will make our oligarchs even richer and more powerful than they already are. So we are paying the price for our deal with our own devil, too. Only our devil is not a specific fascist dictator, it's the corruption of capitalism running amok.

No one wins a war, ever. And the people that start them are just selfish scum.
 
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