First time hearing about the Virgin Mary

[outhouse]

Let me point out one fact here.

The marriage of mary and joseph has no historicity what so ever. They may have been but the only evidence is that we suspect they were a typical Aramaic Jews who would have been married. Noting beyond that exist for evidence.

Both people have almost no historicity and nothing is really known other then that is not even the names the real couple would have never even heard in their lives.

All we know is that Jesus may have had a mother named such, and nothing is known about his father beyond a possible name.

Not one aspect of jesus birth or early years has any historicity at all.

 

[dust1n]

Show her this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...here-little-girls-turn-into-boys-aged-12.html

You and your wife don't determine where the bottom line is.

None of that involves a virgin giving birth, does it?

 

[Sleeppy]

None of that involves a virgin giving birth, does it?

It involves something many people would think impossible.

 

[dust1n]

It involves something many people would think impossible.

Sure... people thought flying was impossible for a reason.


Generally though, people stop believing things are impossible the moment is becomes abundantly clear that it is possible. Never has such been the case for human reproduction.

 

[Sleeppy]

Never has such been the case for human reproduction.

You weren't around (in your current form) 2000> years ago. 'Never' would have to be within the confines of your reach.

 

[outhouse]

You weren't around (in your current form) 2000> years ago. 'Never' would have to be within the confines of your reach.

Either were you.

We are talking about authors far removed from an aspect of the mans life.

The whole of the NT did not have one single eyewitness write anything.

Not only that they were competing against the first "son of god", the Emperor.

You don't understand it was normal to place a normal man and call him son of god and divine.

 

[dust1n]

You weren't around (in your current form) 2000> years ago. 'Never' would have to be within the confines of your reach.

I didn't say it never happened. I said it's never happened that virgin births have never become abundantly clear that they are possible.

 

[Sleeppy]

Either were you.

We are talking about authors far removed from an aspect of the mans life.

The whole of the NT did not have one single eyewitness write anything.

Not only that they were competing against the first "son of god", the Emperor.

You don't understand it was normal to place a normal man and call him son of god and divine.

You don't seem to understand that the "Son of God" concept didn't originate with the Romans.

But, you do understand that I didn't need to be there to leave all options on the table, as I have. And you also understand that eyewitnesses aren't required, to dig up pots and write history books on entire civilizations, long since dead.

 

[outhouse]

You don't seem to understand that the "Son of God" concept didn't originate with the Romans.

It however was used just starting before jesus was born, by the emperor controlling that geographic region.

And we know the authors paralleled that same exact divinity.

You don't seem to understand any bit of modern scholarships.

And you also understand that eyewitnesses aren't required, to dig up pots and write history books on entire civilizations, long since dead.

And no credible historian places him as anything but a Galilean man.

 

[Sleeppy]

I didn't say it never happened. I said it's never happened that virgin births have never become abundantly clear that they are possible.

Things even more inconceivable are being done, and will be done in the future.

We are the result of an almost incalculable number of mutations, adaptations, and inherited norms. Millions and millions of years in the making on Earth, with billions and billions of years in chemical and physical reactions preceding those.

 

[Sleeppy]

It however was used just starting before jesus was born, by the emperor controlling that geographic region.

And we know the authors paralleled that same exact divinity.

You don't seem to understand any bit of modern scholarships.



And no credible historian places him as anything but a Galilean man.

It was being used hundreds of years prior. But in any case, the fact remains, the Emperor was not claimed to have been born of a virgin, overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, in order to conceive.

Parallels are always easy to find. They need validation, however. And, I'm open to your research on those validations if you'll provide them.

 

[outhouse]

Things even more inconceivable are being done, and will be done in the future.

We are the result of an almost incalculable number of mutations, adaptations, and inherited norms. Millions and millions of years in the making on Earth, with billions and billions of years in chemical and physical reactions preceding those.

Every bit is unsubstantiated rhetoric based on faith

 

[Sleeppy]

Every bit is unsubstantiated rhetoric based on faith

Every bit of evolutionary theory? It began with faith, requires some, but has been substantiated to some degree.

 

[outhouse]

It was being used hundreds of years prior.

It was being used during his birth by people who lived next door to him in his eyesight .

And, I'm open to your research on those validations if you'll provide them.

Sermon on the mount is not historical, it is said to be a collection of saying attributed to jesus, and him speaking to large crowds as such, is a parallel to the emperor speaking in auditoriums/Roman amphitheaters.

The star at birth is a parallel to the Emperors "son of god" celestial event in which he proclaimed himself son of god, because he witnessed his father Caesar being resurrected.


Having a trail and meeting heads of state. As the Emperor would do. When in reality a peasant would have never received a trial

Having a burial fit for a king or head of state , peasants were thrown into pits for wild animals to feed upon

 

[outhouse]

Every bit of evolutionary theory? It began with faith, requires some, but has been substantiated to some degree.

Evolution is fact not up for Debate or refusal

 

[dust1n]

Things even more inconceivable are being done...

Like?

 

[Sleeppy]

It was being used during his birth by people who lived next door to him in his eyesight .



Sermon on the mount is not historical, it is said to be a collection of saying attributed to jesus, and him speaking to large crowds as such, is a parallel to the emperor speaking in auditoriums/Roman amphitheaters.

The star at birth is a parallel to the Emperors "son of god" celestial event in which he proclaimed himself son of god, because he witnessed his father Caesar being resurrected.


Having a trail and meeting heads of state. As the Emperor would do. When in reality a peasant would have never received a trial

Having a burial fit for a king or head of state , peasants were thrown into pits for wild animals to feed upon

The "Son of God" concept was introduced several hundred years prior, by Jesus' own people. It's pretty silly to assume that the idea originated with the oppressors of a society that had already introduced it hundreds of years prior.

Everything else is speculation. Where's the validation?

 

[outhouse]

The "Son of God" concept was introduced several hundred years prior, by Jesus' own people.

I don't think you even know who his people were.

It's pretty silly to assume that the idea originated with the oppressors of a society that had already introduced it hundreds of years prior.

First of all the ONLY people to call jesus son of god, were Hellenist who first worshipped the Emperor as son of god.

No real jew would ever commit blasphemy changing the definition of god, adding a son to the concept.

 

[Sleeppy]

Like?

Like growing hearts, hamburger meat, etc. Cloning, time travel, etc. Video games, virtual reality, quantum computers, etc.

Immunities to certain diseases and infections are developing both naturally and with help. All types of things.

 

[Sleeppy]

I don't think you even know who his people were.



First of all the ONLY people to call jesus son of god, were Hellenist who first worshipped the Emperor as son of god.

No real jew would ever commit blasphemy changing the definition of god, adding a son to the concept.

What does Psalm 82:6 say? Psalm 82:1. Psalm 89:26? 2 Sam 7:14? 1 Chronicles 22:10? Jeremiah 3:19?

Right.