Freemasonry and Satanism

[ScuzManiac]

We don't wear masks.

I think that means it varies by location then...

Because I personally know some masons in the DC area that do.

 

[sojourner]

I think that means it varies by location then...

Because I personally know some masons in the DC area that do.

I don't know of any blue lodge where masks are worn. Perhaps in some of the appendant bodies, like the Shrine or york Rite...

 

[paarsurrey]

They said it

Please quote from them with reference.

Regards

 

[Estro Felino]

Please quote from them with reference.

Regards

Do you understand italian? If you do I can post the links, but they are in Italian

 

[paarsurrey]

Do you understand italian? If you do I can post the links, but they are in Italian

No; I don't know Italian.

Regards

 

[nash8]

I don't wish they died. I want them to be happy, rich, healthy and that they live as long as possible.

But I just want something from them....a little little thing they don't care about:
their soul. In Hell. forever

Damn, that's the most f'ed up thing I've seen on these forums, and I've seen some pretty messed up stuff. Hell, that's one of the worst things I ever seen said about another human being, definitely top 10.

Isn't Christianity about forgiveness for people? I think you need to quit worrying about what other people are doing and focus on that man in the mirror. Desiring that someone's soul eternally burns in hell... seems a little harsh to me.

I don't know of any blue lodge where masks are worn. Perhaps in some of the appendant bodies, like the Shrine or york Rite...

Sojourner, I've been interested in hanging out at a lodge for a while. Do they let non-members into the lodge for meetings? What do ya'll actually do at lodge meetings? Do you have to pay dues or anything like that? I figured there is some generally intellectual discussion that goes on, and I'm definitely missing that aspect in my life, at least in a face to face manner.

 

[Estro Felino]

Isn't Christianity about forgiveness for people? I think you need to quit worrying about what other people are doing and focus on that man in the mirror. Desiring that someone's soul eternally burns in hell... seems a little harsh to me.
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Hellfire is just an invention. But the people who are selfish and greedy, will be trapped in their greed and selfishness. Our life as no sense if we think of our profit exclusively, without caring about the other people's interests.
So the afterlife for those people will be meaningless and in absolute remorse.

This condition is eternal just because in the afterlife there is no space nor time, so everything is eternal

 

[nash8]

Hellfire is just an invention. But the people who are selfish and greedy, will be trapped in their greed and selfishness. Our life as no sense if we think of our profit exclusively, without caring about the other people's interests.
So the afterlife for those people will be meaningless and in absolute remorse.

This condition is eternal just because in the afterlife there is no space nor time, so everything is eternal

Whatever you say...

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't know of any blue lodge where masks are worn. Perhaps in some of the appendant bodies, like the Shrine or york Rite...

I don't doubt that Freemasonry is based upon good principles.
But unfortunately, the American federal government has always been less powerful than occult and clandestine forces that have been using their economic power to get what they wanted.
J.F.Kennedy talked about these forces, who want to control any thing so they can redistribute these things among them. This is really devilish.
And guess what? Kennedy was murdered....
Pope John Paul the first was probably murdered too for the same reason.

well...I don't know what these forces -that Kennedy talked about- are.
But I can't find any possible alternative to Freemasonry

I put the link...because people here don't do but doubt what I say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sok8nodx9hk

Besides...let's sum up: Kennedy was murdered because he wanted to destroy the absolute power of the Federal Reserve Bank. And normally, all central Bank owners are Freemasons. Rotschild, Draghi, Monti.

 

[McBell]

I don't doubt that Freemasonry is based upon good principles.
But unfortunately, the American federal government has always been less powerful than occult and clandestine forces that have been using their economic power to get what they wanted.
J.F.Kennedy talked about these forces, who want to control any thing so they can redistribute these things among them. This is really devilish.
And guess what? Kennedy was murdered....
Pope John Paul the first was probably murdered too for the same reason.

well...I don't know what these forces -that Kennedy talked about- are.
But I can't find any possible alternative to Freemasonry

I put the link...because people here don't do but doubt what I say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sok8nodx9hk

Besides...let's sum up: Kennedy was murdered because he wanted to destroy the absolute power of the Federal Reserve Bank. And normally, all central Bank owners are Freemasons. Rotschild, Draghi, Monti.

As I already stated:

So I was right and this thread has absolutely nothing to do with you wanting the truth.

You are merely looking to ratify your preconceived notions.

 

[Estro Felino]

As I already stated:

well...at least, given that you are an Advocatus diaboli, try to defend your "clients".
as a good attorney would

you don't have any topic to discuss, because you know I am right.
your clients are indefensible.

 

[Katzpur]

Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?

I definitely believe this to be rumor. The very few masons I have known are all good Christians, in addition to being masons. Any time there is something secret about an organization, people automatically assume the worst. Secret is not a synonym for Satanic. People need to stop treating it as one.

 

[ScuzManiac]

I definitely believe this to be rumor. The very few masons I have known are all good Christians, in addition to being masons. Any time there is something secret about an organization, people automatically assume the worst. Secret is not a synonym for Satanic. People need to stop treating it as one.

I'll second that.

Some people read far too many Dan Brown novels and take it to heart.

 

[Estro Felino]

I definitely believe this to be rumor. The very few masons I have known are all good Christians, in addition to being masons. Any time there is something secret about an organization, people automatically assume the worst. Secret is not a synonym for Satanic. People need to stop treating it as one.

Lots of Freemasons worship money-
Money worshiping is Satanic---
ergo
Freemasonry can be all based upon Satanic principles

 

[ScuzManiac]

Lots of Freemasons worship money-
Money worshiping is Satanic---
ergo
Freemasonry can be all based upon Satanic principles

But lots of people also worship money...

Far more people that aren't Freemasons than people that are Freemasons....

So, I don't see why we're specifically talking about them?

:sarcastic

 

[Katzpur]

Lots of Freemasons worship money-
Money worshiping is Satanic---
ergo
Freemasonry can be all based upon Satanic principles

Lots of people who aren't masons do, too. Do you believe that if a mason worships money, it's because this is something he learned to do through freemasonry? If you do, do you have any evidence to support this theory with?

 

[Estro Felino]

But lots of people also worship money...

Far more people that aren't Freemasons than people that are Freemasons....

So, I don't see why we're specifically talking about them?

:sarcastic

precisely. Lots of people are devilish.

 

[Estro Felino]

Lots of people who aren't masons do, too. Do you believe that if a mason worships money, it's because this is something he learned to do through freemasonry? If you do, do you have any evidence to support this theory with?

The symbol of Freemasonry is on one dollar banknotes

 

[Katzpur]

The symbol of Freemasonry is on one dollar banknotes

Hay, I've got to say I'm surprised at you. Seriously, I really don't know you very well yet, but I've been quite impressed by everything you've said on several different threads. This particular point of view on this particular subject strikes me as kind of out-of-character for you and not something I have come to expect.

Now, if the fact that the symbol of freemasonry is on one-dollar bills, I still don't know how that ties it to Satanism or anything of the sort. Every person I know uses one-dollar bills every day. You do as much as the next person.

By the way, is it the all-seeing eye or Eye of Providence you're referring to, or something else?

 

[Estro Felino]

Hay, I've got to say I'm surprised at you. Seriously, I really don't know you very well yet, but I've been quite impressed by everything you've said on several different threads. This particular point of view on this particular subject strikes me as kind of out-of-character for you and not something I have come to expect.

Now, if the fact that the symbol of freemasonry is on one-dollar bills, I still don't know how that ties it to Satanism or anything of the sort. Every person I know uses one-dollar bills every day. You do as much as the next person.

By the way, is it the all-seeing eye or Eye of Providence you're referring to, or something else?

well, I take it as a compliment. thank you.
By the way, it depends on what you mean by Satanism. I certainly don't believe that Satanism is made up of weird rituals and a bit of Black Magic.
I believe the Satanism is something more.
One can believe they are Christians, but actually they are Satanists inside.
Whoever creates covenants with other people to get richer and richer at cost of the low classes' poverty, they are Satanists.
Because it is a devilish mechanism.
Bank Seigniorage and the presence of Central Banks like FRB or ECB (Eur. Cen. Bank) are devilish mechanisms-

besides the sentence written in US seals and in that banknot
annuit coeptis- Novus Ordo seclurom is something devilish. It means that (the people) has approved the undertakings for a New World Order-
In other words...the people accepts to be slave of this new order ruled by the rich , who will become richer and richer