ScuzManiac
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How can one believe they are Christians but are Satanists deep down?
Wouldn't that be something that is between them and God alone?
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Freemasonry and Satanism
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How can one believe they are Christians but are Satanists deep down?
Wouldn't that be something that is between them and God alone?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
It was meant to be. Anyway, I'm sure we'll find more things to agree on than we will to disagree on. This is just one of those topics we're not going to see eye-to-eye on.
What's interesting is I always saw the supposed "New World Order" as a Christian ideal. You look at Satanism or Luciferianism or Thelema and you see individuality, anarchy almost and extreme individualism. They want to be self-empowered and (in the case of Luciferians) want to help others be self-empowered. A religion like Christianity are the ones who seems to believe "my way or the highway", who want to unite people under one banner and under one leader while enforcing very intrusive rules upon peoples' personal lives.
Of course, the Masons are mostly Christian these days it seems...
Of course, the Masons are mostly Christian these days it seems...
there's a big difference. Christianity wants social and economical equality and liberty. Luciferianism wants self-empowerment on the basis of the law of the fittest
No it doesn't. Luciferianism doesn't care about the "fittest", it cares about equal self empowerment. Generally you won't find elitism and if you have you've found a Satanist in disguise. How can we say Christianity wants social equality? That would mean different people getting the same treatment, not everyone being one religion and having the same value. Liberty? Have you studied Christianity? Most groups are almost fascist in nature, controlling what you can believe and everything you are and are not allowed to do in your relationship. You want to worship Egyptian gods during a sexual ritual involving bondage out of marriage? Luciferians don't care if it's consensual. Find and follow what's good for you. We can say with absolute certainty that Christianity is not for everybody.
money is not inexhaustible. It can be redistributed equally, giving everybody the chance to work. But our economic system is Liberistic, so the resources are in the hands of the fittest. Not certainly of state.
precisely. It is certainly not for rich Capitalists and High Finance people.
Who mentioned money?
Do you think Luciferians are the 1% or something? Money isn't even addressed in most Luciferian writings I've come across. I can guarantee the Vatican will always have vastly more money than the average individual, though. Luciferianism and religions like Thelema and such are not focused on the physical, it's focused on the self. What I've learned from most conspiracy theorists is they generally have no idea about the topics they discuss - then they teach each other. There's no world conspiracy of domination, it's a creation of the human mind to try and create explanation. Sadly it also creates a feeling of weakness and helplessness in many cases. The simple fact is that sure, some things got messed up in the capitalist societies - it's capitalism! This was the american dream. Guess what - we've tried socialism too and it doesn't work. Christianity had it's shot and didn't work. We could give Thelema it's shot and it wouldn't work. That's the way things are, and to some people it sounds worse than others. I'd recommend simply moving on. Not like you could do anything about it anyways!
Money can't he the satanic root of all things bad. Eliminating money would accomplish nothing since money is just the middle man in trade. In a world without money there would still be classes, "rich" people, etc. The problem (if we decide to view it as such) is within human nature.
nash8
Da man, when I walk thru!
Not by the content of your posts.
The Federal Reserve, which is actually owned by private banks, which I would say the majority are not ran by masons.
A youtube link... now I'm convinced lol.
Can you cite some evidence for this? Considering you haven't provided any on any of my other requests I'm going to assume not.
What symbol is that? The "all seeing eye", which was an Egyptian symbol far before it was a Masonic symbol?
Central banking agencies are not bad... Privately owned central banks are bad. There has to be a central banking agency that prints and regulates the production of money. It just needs to be a government agency rather than a group of private companies. And most of all, it needs to have transparency. Currently, no branch of government or private entity has the right to investigate the actions of the federal reserve, and that's not cool at all.
This is one area where that I agree with you on... kinda. The meaning behind this Latin phrase was not that the people accept to be a slave of the new world order. It literally means, "He(God) approves of the New World Order(the establishment of the U.S.A)". The design of the modern dollar was initiated by Roosevelt who was a Mason. While your wrong on the meaning of the phrase, I do agree with you that it's messed up that the establishment of a new world order was placed on currency. I find it highly ironic.
Very good points sir, I agree with you on the Luciferianism, but not necessarily on the Satanism, as it promotes working together as long as you benefit physically from the cooperation, although there still is an emphasis on individuality.
While Christianity does have a "my way or the highway" attitude, there is also an emphasis on socialistic ideas, which don't necessarily lend themselves to world domination. At least not until the ideas were corrupted to do exactly the opposite lol.
Do you know how much money each person would have if money was distributed equally, about 9000 dollars each. While I do agree that monetary inequality is horribly skewed mostly due to corrupt and unethical business practices, equal redistribution is not the answer either. Paying 2 people the same when one provides better quality and production than another person is not right either.
The problem is that a lot of rich people are not getting paid for their better quality or greater production, but rather because they are using corrupt and unethical practices. I have no problem with someone who is either more talented than me, or works harder than me being better rewarded. I do have a problem with people getting paid more than me because they are doing things that are unethical, or even worse illegal.
You missed it... the Vatican are a bunch of satan worshipers too. Which I would have to agree with.
In some ways your right, but in other aspects your totally wrong. There are a handful of companies/conglomerates that dominate every major industry: Broadcasting, Mineral resources, Banking, large scale food production, etc
Within those companies there are a handful of people that control the majority of shares within these companies, and thus control the actions of the companies.
Then on top of that, you are pretty much legally able to "buy" the political process through lobbying. And since we as American's (can't speak for other developed countries, but I would imagine it's pretty much the same), do a horrible job of holding our representatives responsible, these same corporations pretty much own the politics as well.
If you don't believe me do the research yourself. Here I'll get you started.
Media conglomerate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.icntv.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/media-ownership.jpg
Think about the last time you saw something on T.V., or a movie that was not from one of those companies.
List of conglomerates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Small list, and this small list literally dominates every avenue you could possibly think of. And how many people do you actually think have any say in the actions and decisions of these companies. I would wager to say that there are not that many.
The 147 Companies That Control Everything - Forbes
The Four Companies That Control the 147 Companies That Own Everything - Forbes
Distribution of wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So a small population dominates economics both within the U.S. and in the world as well. And if money can legally be used to "buy legislation" which I think we can both agree it does through lobbying, then what is left?
A small population of people dominate every major industry a small population of people control vast majority of the money, and those same people strongly influence and basically control political legislation through this money, what other aspect of the world is their to control?
I don't think there is some huge conspiracy to do this, but rather the negative side of human nature dictates this. It is in the interest of these small groups of people to keep the group small and to help each other out, unless they feel as though they can usurp another groups power. However, they are not going to jeopardize the power of the group as a whole, and thus their power individually, by letting outsiders encroach on their terrain.
The problem is not capitalism or socialism. They both work. The problem is corruption within both systems. I would wager to say that you need a combination of both in order to have an optimally functioning economic system, and most of all you need to rout out corruption, as it will destroy any economic system regardless of how well the foundation of the system is designed.
Things with unlimited demand such as healthcare, water, education, and food do not work well within a solely capitalist economy. The same goes for industries that are necessary, but also not profitable. You need subsidy to support these industries. You also run into problems with capitalism with monopolistic markets. We think that monopolies don't exist anymore, but in reality they do.
The same goes for socialism. It works well for certain areas where demand is unlimited, or in areas where demand is almost non existent, but the service is necessary.
What would work really good in a lot of areas is a combination of both. You provide basic coverage for everyone, and then allow capitalistic competition for everything above the basic necessities.
An "all or nothing" approach seldom works well in any situation. The same goes for economic/political strategies.
No single system is going to work. Society is far too dynamic a system for one theory/strategy to work in all systems. People are generally just to ignorant and/or stubborn to realize this.
Most of the current modern rumours about Satanism began with rumors (and book sales) in the 70s and 80s, which were themselves derived from earlier rumours going back of course many centuries. The modern rumours are sillly, but they are persistent. Nevertheless 70s and 80s are the time period when the recent epidemic of rumours started to get into heavy duplication. In my opinion rumours about Satanism have gained much momentum from the view of our wars as a fight between good and evil and from the USA's wars and gradual expansion. The USA has had a charmed life and long string of victories and social progress, plus it has had several 'Evil' enemies. Nothing could have bolstered a belief in 'Evil' and an active vengeful Satan more than the events of World War 2, when we found an enemy who actually embodied evil on purpose. Because of that a lot of people began to listen to rumours about Satan's evil plans and plots. Some clever people began to figure out how to use this fact and to develop some effective rumours and watch them fly all over the world. I've heard all sorts of rumours about Satan's plots. He's got some very bizarre schemes, or so it is said.
Somebody started a rumour about the huge manufacturer Proctor and Gamble in 1981. snopes.com: Procter and Gamble and Satanism Rumor Such a thing should never have caught on, but it was strangely influential.
1981 was the year my church had a burning where we brought all of our modern music and burned it in a dumpster, for fear that it had a Satanic taint! I remember looking down into that huge dumpster full of vinyls, 8-tracks and cassettes, and I remember the locals complained about the stench.
1970 is when Hal Lindsey published The Late Great Planet Earth, and its stupid and insidious prophecy claims were in circulation in the church where I grew up. We were vulnerable to such things and we all believed Satanists were involved in everything from rock'n roll to spaghetti, because we were evangelical fundamentalists. Our churches believed that Satan was the enemy of Christians and of Jesus and of God and that Satan was out there going back and forth seeking to harm. After all that's what the 'Bible said'. It only remained to keep an eye out for Satan's influences and to identify them.
Because of belief in a snarling, hiding, sneaking, clever being out there trying to get us, all kinds of social and political movements become identified with Satanism. There are the forces of good and the forces of evil, not just democrats or republicans or conservatives or progressives or atheists or scientists or baseball or breakfast cereals. This tendency to view absolutely everything as part of a war between pure good and pure evil continues today and drives some very profitable book sales about kooky ideas about not just freemasons but everything.
Somebody started a rumour about the huge manufacturer Proctor and Gamble in 1981. snopes.com: Procter and Gamble and Satanism Rumor Such a thing should never have caught on, but it was strangely influential.
1981 was the year my church had a burning where we brought all of our modern music and burned it in a dumpster, for fear that it had a Satanic taint! I remember looking down into that huge dumpster full of vinyls, 8-tracks and cassettes, and I remember the locals complained about the stench.
1970 is when Hal Lindsey published The Late Great Planet Earth, and its stupid and insidious prophecy claims were in circulation in the church where I grew up. We were vulnerable to such things and we all believed Satanists were involved in everything from rock'n roll to spaghetti, because we were evangelical fundamentalists. Our churches believed that Satan was the enemy of Christians and of Jesus and of God and that Satan was out there going back and forth seeking to harm. After all that's what the 'Bible said'. It only remained to keep an eye out for Satan's influences and to identify them.
Because of belief in a snarling, hiding, sneaking, clever being out there trying to get us, all kinds of social and political movements become identified with Satanism. There are the forces of good and the forces of evil, not just democrats or republicans or conservatives or progressives or atheists or scientists or baseball or breakfast cereals. This tendency to view absolutely everything as part of a war between pure good and pure evil continues today and drives some very profitable book sales about kooky ideas about not just freemasons but everything.
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McBell
Unbound
You merely further my point.
In fact, YOU have done so much more in this thread than the rest of us combined to show you are not the least bit interested in the truth of the matter.
As for your sad attempt at personal attack, you really should stop, seeing as they against forum rules.
McBell
Unbound
Make up your mind.
Is Freemason Satanic or Luciferian?
Or perhaps it is that you do not know there is difference?
Satanic, Luciferian, Devilish, Demoniac are all synonyms.
The English Language dictionary says it. And even in my language they are synonyms.
If you mean that Luciferians (as religion) are good and Christian-like people, I don't doubt it.
But Freemasons are certainly not Luciferians
McBell
Unbound
So basically you are yet again speaking from complete ignorance of the subject matter....
Thank you for clearing that up for us.
Carry on.
well...nobody forces you to reply to my posts. If you think you possess the absolute truth, then say it. Instead of calling me names (I don't think I am ignorant, I studied Political Economy, so I know how it works), try to defend the Central Banks owners who accidentally are Freemasons
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Lodge meetings are closed to non-members, except where specifically stated, such as parties, installation of officers, etc. You'd have to be a mason to sit in the meetings. We have a business meeting once a month, that is like any other club business meeting. Sometimes we allot a portion of that meeting to "masonic education," where we discuss tenets of freemasonry, its history, symbolism, etc. Other meetings are referred to as "degree work," and are devoted to the initiation of members to the various degrees.
Dues are paid by members on an annual basis.
There is a lot of intellectual discussion, masonic education, learning of ritual, and memorization work (if one wishes). These usually take place at practice sessions or education sessions set aside specifically for that kind of thing, called a "lodge of instruction."
If you're interested, I'd suggest that you 1) not read about freemasonry on the internet, because most of it is wrong. Instead, seek out somebody you know who's a mason and let them know you're interested. They'll get you an application, if you feel that it's something you want to get serious about.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No. you're very, very mistaken.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Oh, if you only knew what you were talking about. Humility with regard to wealth is fundamental for freemasons.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No. It isn't. the "All-Seeing Eye" is patently NOT "the symbol of freemasonry." :face palm: