French Burka Ban

[Badran]

It's my own generic lingo.

I'm not singling out the "burqa" to call it a body bag.
The beekeeper suit is ALSO a body bag.

Oh okay, thanks.

 

[blackout]

If y'all didn't give your full body covering a religious name,
and an assembly line design,
france would have NO'THING to BAN.
Do you understand that?

really.

I'm pretty sure i misunderstood something, especially because i can't make sense of the last part of your post.

OK, let me try another way.

If the POINT of the Burqa is full body and face coverage,
well there are many ways to do that.
And,
France is High Fashion....
Coiture!

They are NOT going to Ban Coiture!
:no:

So instead of the "assembly line" "one size fits all" "Burqa",
your women create and design ONE OF A KINDS.
Still covering their face/body/identity/modesty,
but in keeping with French "fashion", or... the "fashion" of the French.

Do not "call" them by any religious name,
but let them function on the outside
as expressions of the deeper person on the inside.
The real you.
Women! Design and Sew YOUR OWN garments,
One of a kind,
in YOUR OWN, unique, fashion.
This, is coiture.

There will be nothing they can ban.

Keep the function,
rid yourselves of the name
and the "look".

This is also a step towards good will in social integration
on YOUR part. Embrace Coiture!

People need to be a little flexible.
and a little bit crafty.




Or you could always just wear bee-keeper suits.
I don't believe they've been banned.

 

[lunakilo]

it is not acceptable to walk around fully naked just as it is not acceptable to walk around with your face covered.

How did you manage to plant an image of a woman with a naked body and her face covered in my mind! :cover:

 

[Badran]

OK, let me try another way.

If the POINT of the Burqa is full body and face coverage,
well there are many ways to do that.
And,
France is High Fashion....
Coiture!

They are NOT going to Ban Coiture!
:no:

So instead of the "assembly line" "one size fits all" "Burqa",
your women create and design ONE OF A KINDS.
Still covering their face/body/identity/modesty,
but in keeping with French "fashion", or... the "fashion" of the French.

Do not "call" them by any religious name,
but let them function on the outside
as expressions of the deeper person on the inside.
The real you.
Women! Design and Sew YOUR OWN garments,
One of a kind,
in YOUR OWN, unique, fashion.
This, is coiture.

There will be nothing they can ban.

Keep the function,
rid yourselves of the name
and the "look".

This is also a step towards good will in social integration
on YOUR part. Embrace Coiture!

People need to be a little flexible.
and a little bit crafty.




Or you could always just wear bee-keeper suits.
I don't believe they've been banned.

If this law carries on, i guess this would be a good idea. Its also a good idea in general, as i see no problem with it, its refreshing. Pretty sure though that most women who wear burqa or niqab wouldn't really agree or care to do that. And also if France really wants to ban this they will easily find a way around.

 

[Badran]

Friend Bismillah,


Kindly correct the wrong topic by guiding it to the right.

That is what human mind does; it either takes one to the *LEFT* or towards the *RIGHT* but never transcends itself to overcome the past and future by being in the PRESENT and that is France has banned the wearing of BURKHA by human on its soil.

Love & rgds

I think may be Bismillah posted in this thread by mistake thinking it was another thread. So he edited his post and said that it was the wrong thread.

 

[lunakilo]

it is not a behavior that is socially acceptable in the western culture...
identity is the norm, laws are based on identification by the face...
really, it's not that hard. this only depicts an arrogant migrant who believes they don't need to adjust to the culture they moved into...

Since when has it been illigal to be arrogant?

Wearing a burka goes against what is the socially acceptable norm in France, yes.
Is it nice to deliberately disregard the socially acceptable norm, no.
Should it be illigal to deliberately disregard the socially acceptable norm, no.

 

[blackout]

If this law carries on, i guess this would be a good idea. Its also a good idea in general, as i see no problem with it, its refreshing. Pretty sure though that most women who wear burqa or niqab wouldn't really agree or care to do that. And also if France really wants to ban this they will easily find a way around.

I really don't know how they could.

They would have to make a move to ban all face coverings in general then. no?
It does not seem that this is what they want to ban at all.

 

[lunakilo]

so you must agree that western women should be able to go to any muslim country and be free to wear their western clothing and walk around with their hair showing?

I would agree with you on that too, but its not the case...westerners must abide by muslim dress code or they will be arrested and punished

its comes down to treating others as you want to be treated yourself. If muslims want to wear their religious clothing in western lands, they must allow westerners to wear their clothing in muslim lands.

The law makers are elected to office by the people. So abide by the country's law. In French do what the french do. In Arab do what teh Arabians do. Simply and no trouble.

The law is the law.
If you decide to do something which is clearly illigal according to the laws of the country you are in, you should be prepared to pay for that crime.

However, the law is NOT always right.

If you don't like the law, you can try to change it.
One way of doing that is deliberately breaking the law. If enough people deliberately break the same law, there is a chance people will start to debate WHY so many people break that law, and maybe the law will be changed.

 

[Badran]

I really don't know how they could.

They would have to make a move to ban all face coverings in general then. no?
It does not seem that this is what they want to ban at all.

Right now, I can't think of any other way for France to go around it except by indeed going for banning all face coverings.

The reason i think they might go to that extent is because i agree with the opinion that in France and may be Europe in general, people are reacting badly to the increasing number of Muslims in their society.

So if the government wants to do this badly, they might go to the extent of banning any sort of face covering.

 

[lunakilo]

You still haven't provided any evidence. Seems like you're getting more and more frustrated.

How can someone PROVE what the socially acceptable norm is?

 

[lunakilo]

Right now, I can't think of any other way for France to go around it except by indeed going for banning all face coverings.

The reason i think they might go to that extent is because i agree with the opinion that in France and may be Europe in general, people are reacting badly to the increasing number of Muslims in their society.

So if the government wants to do this badly, they might go to the extent of banning any sort of face covering.

Banning all face coverings will not work, it isn't practical.

You would end up havung to arrest people like this guy

And would it be leagal to wear sunglases?

 

[TashaN]

Banning all face coverings will not work, it isn't practical.

You would end up havung to arrest people like this guy

And would it be leagal to wear sunglases?

The law was designed to serve one purpose "ban the burka of Muslim women", period.

 

[Badran]

Banning all face coverings will not work, it isn't practical.

You would end up havung to arrest people like this guy

And would it be leagal to wear sunglases?

Good point, I guess if this law doesn't make it, thats it, they have nothing to do about it.

 

[blackout]

Sometimes people really cannot see the forest for the trees.

People also, are very unbending, and very uncreative.

 

[TashaN]

Sometimes people really cannot see the forest for the trees.

People also, are very unbending, and very uncreative.

Sometimes, accusing other people of being uncreative is uncreative, for creativity require having an open mind regarding other people being creative, and those who think that others are not creative are usually uncreative who think of themselves to be so.

 

[blackout]

I don't personally care.
This particualr battle of Self Expression is not my own.

Trust me though,
I DO have my own.
And when I need to win my own battles of Self expression
against the mainstream
I get a little bit crafty,
and play things up or down just a bit,
use psychology,
to create favorable perceptions for others.

So naturally, even though this total covering problem is not my own,
I start thinking about it
in terms of creative solutions.

 

[Starsoul]

Friends,

France leads the way in the right direction as liberation comes only when all inhibitions are shed and burkha is surely a great physical one. The timing too is correct when followers of islam specially in islamic countries are realising what liberation/freedom really means.

LOve & rgds

Thanks but muslims don't call baring oneself liberation. Westren women Like being exposed and used around with dozens of men before they settle down with one man or a woman, IF they're lucky enough to settle down. Muslims women do NOT want that kind of a ' respectable lifestyle', where women earn respect by revealing their bodies to all and sundry.

You are very wrong, muslim women do not fantasize to be naked and sexually available to all men of the society, whether its for satiating the eyes of men/women or for selling products from a bottle of coke to just about anything and everything. Our standards and values are different, and you need to educate yourself with muslim values before dictating them about their freedom and liberty.

 

[lunakilo]

Thanks but muslims don't call baring oneself liberation. Westren women Like being exposed and used around with dozens of men before they settle down with one man or a woman, IF they're lucky enough to settle down.

Are you a western woman?
How did you get this idea?

Muslims women do NOT want that kind of a ' respectable lifestyle', where women earn respect by revealing their bodies to all and sundry.

There are possibilities between wearing a burka and running around naked, just so you know.

You are very wrong, muslim women do not fantasize to be naked and sexually available to all men of the society, whether its for satiating the eyes of men/women or for selling products from a bottle of coke to just about anything and everything.

When did this topic become about sexual fantasies of muslim women?

Our standards and values are different, and you need to educate yourself with muslim values before dictating them about their freedom and liberty.

And maybe you need to educate yourself about the values of people who are not you.
You are assuming a great deal it seems.

 

[TashaN]

I don't personally care.
This particualr battle of Self Expression is not my own.

Trust me though,
I DO have my own.
And when I need to win my own battles of Self expression
against the mainstream
I get a little bit crafty,
and play things up or down just a bit,
use psychology,
to create favorable perceptions for others.

So naturally, even though this total covering problem is not my own,
I start thinking about it
in terms of creative solutions.

During this process, do you have any consideration for what some women want for themselves? even if that was different than what you think is best for them?

 

[blackout]

During this process, do you have any consideration for what some women want for themselves? even if that was different than what you think is best for them?

Look TashaN,

I clearly expressed in this thread
how I would handle the situation,
were it mine to handle.

Very few of us in life
get EXACTLY what we want,
and I made no comment here
regarding what I think is best for anyone.
I only made suggestions
as to how they might trump the Burqa ban
by creating their own one of a kind coverings.

If they are not technically wearing a Burqa,
but are wearing One of a kind fashion statements,
(and believe me, they WOULD be making a statement)
WHAT are they going to get arrested for?

I'm making suggestions on how your women might WIN.