French Burka Ban

[fahrenheit]

i have the right to know who you are by simply looking at your face...

I'm sorry, I hope I'm not taking this out of context, but this statement is incredibly biased and surprising coming from an American. One that thing that Americans pride themselves (this is coming from an American) is the freedom to dress any way they want (obviously not nude). If I want to walk down the street in a shirt that says no war for oil then you know damn well I have the right to do it, if I want to wear a ski mask on the street then I have the right to do that also.
Private institutions have the right to set dress code limits, but certainly not the government. I mean, how can you live in a country and (I assume) support free speech but not support freedom of dress?

 

[Amill]

the freedom to dress any way they want (obviously not nude)

Is the inability to legally wear a burka any different than being in the nude?

 

[Bismillah]

I am entitled to walk down a street without seeing a man's or women's genitals.

 

[lunakilo]

I am entitled to walk down a street without seeing a man's or women's genitals.

Why is that?

 

[lunakilo]

I have a question.

Does France or any other country has the right to protect the secular identity of their nation by passing laws that will restrict people from practicing what they deem to be a natural representation of what they believe in? although this practice harms no body but it is looked upon as a symbol which seems to negate secular values in that country!

Ny opinion: No.

But if the answer was that simple, this thread would not currently have 170 posts, would it?

 

[Bismillah]

Why is that?

Why can't children watch rated "R" movies?

 

[lunakilo]

Why can't children watch rated "R" movies?

I have no ides what rated "R" movies are.

Why are you entitled to walk down a street without seeing a man's or women's genitals?

 

[Bismillah]

I have no ides what rated "R" movies are.

It means "restricted", as in movies that show nudity are for adults (18 years or older) only.

So before I answer your question, please answer mine.

 

[Pegg]

French burka ban: police arrest two veiled women - Telegraph

I think this is too extreme. I would not support a government's right to tell people they can't wear something that they voluntarily dress in.

Thoughts?

i have to agree. The west is supposed to uphold ones right to freedom of religion, freedom of choice etc etc etc ... they shouldnt ban someone from wearing a sheet over their head if thats what they want to wear

but i also think that it is disrespectful of muslim women to wear something that is considered offensive in the west. If a western woman went to a muslim country and wore a singlet top and shorts she'd probably be arrested and beaten on sight because of showing disrespect to the local views on dress... this is the same situation in reverse... it would be wiser to respect the local dress requirements then show disregard for them.

 

[Pegg]

does anyone have a problem with this..

gee i wonder why this guys is hiding his face

a ski mask is fine in the snow

but the gun is a bit of a worry lol

 

[Bismillah]

I also am against the use of the leather jacket, so faux pas.

 

[lunakilo]

Why can't children watch rated "R" movies?

It means "restricted", as in movies that show nudity are for adults (18 years or older) only.

So before I answer your question, please answer mine.

You seem to forget that I live in Denmark. As far as I know there is no legal restriction in this country on the age when a person is allowed to watch a movie with nude people or a pornograpich movie.

I assume the rules you refer to has something to do with not wanting children to look at people having sex.

I don't see how that applies to nude people walking down the street.
So why do you feel that you are entitled to walk down a street without seeing a man's or women's genitals?

[Edit]
My point as you can probably imagine is:
1) you are entitled to walk down a street without seeing a man's or women's genitals.
2) the french are entitled to walk down a street without seeing people wearing burkas.

Why is 1) correct and 2) incorrect in your opinion?

 

[Apex]

I love how many of the arguments supporting these bans are based on some of the same thinking as the arguments against gay marriage.

 

[Dezzie]

I think it's interesting that people aren't able to be trusted anymore... and to the point of creating these types of laws. Keep in mind that this is a FRENCH law as well. They are probably discriminating against those who wear them. It wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Muslim people already have a bad reputation (which I think is completely ridiculous)... I am sure that the French are only judging them by their ethnic group and not what rights they deserve as people. The French may say to the public that it is for safety reasons but that doesn't mean it's the truth. They would have banned various other types of apparel if that was the case.

 

[Dezzie]

but i also think that it is disrespectful of muslim women to wear something that is considered offensive in the west. If a western woman went to a muslim country and wore a singlet top and shorts she'd probably be arrested and beaten on sight because of showing disrespect to the local views on dress... this is the same situation in reverse... it would be wiser to respect the local dress requirements then show disregard for them.

Very good point. I completely agree with you on this. This kind of thing just doesn't make any sense. It's a very hypocritical type of situation.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

I'm sorry, I hope I'm not taking this out of context, but this statement is incredibly biased and surprising coming from an American. One that thing that Americans pride themselves (this is coming from an American) is the freedom to dress any way they want (obviously not nude). If I want to walk down the street in a shirt that says no war for oil then you know damn well I have the right to do it, if I want to wear a ski mask on the street then I have the right to do that also.
Private institutions have the right to set dress code limits, but certainly not the government. I mean, how can you live in a country and (I assume) support free speech but not support freedom of dress?

Yea, true, but if you were wearing that ski mask during the summertime, every person that saw you would assume you were on your way to rob a bank, not to mention you would probably be harassed by police. So naturally, you would not wear a ski mask in the summertime, walking down the street.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

Why can't children watch rated "R" movies?

Because Americans are prudish when it comes to the human body, and assume that shielding a child from violent movies will keep them from becoming violent. It's a ridiculous law IMO.

 

[Badran]

Very good point. I completely agree with you on this. This kind of thing just doesn't make any sense. It's a very hypocritical type of situation.

I may be wrong but i think Pegg was saying that the woman who wears this is being disrespectful, not the other way around. As in she shouldn't wear it, because people don't like it. If thats what she was saying and i didn't misunderstand, do you agree with that?

 

[RitalinO.D.]

I may be wrong but i think pegg was saying that the woman who wears this is being disrespectful, not the other way around. As in she shouldn't wear it, because people don't like it. If thats what she was saying and i didn't misunderstand, do you agree with that?

There's a little difference in the two examples tho, considering in France, you get arrested for wearing a burqa. In Saudi Arabia, if an american female wears a tubetop and daisy dukes walking down the street, she would be arrested, and then flogged.

It's really a catch-22. While she should be able to wear what she wants, if the established law prevents it, you should probably refrain from doing it. This however, does not mean the law to begin with was just.

 

[waitasec]

Quick question, are you serious enough to consider that a ban on ski masks would serve as a deterrence when robbers planned a heist?

Would they reflect that, given the illegality of a ski mask, they must now perform the robbery using an alternative?

Where does your logic exactly being?

is it so hard for you to understand that covering your face in western culture implies ill intent...

look sherlock ski masks are for, guess what? when it's cold, when it's snowing or when you're skiing