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Garner Incident-if you can say "I can't breathe," guess what you can breathe

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
It is standard, but apparently they can opt out and/or don't always have enough for every officer. I know that Darren Wilson testified that he never carries one. He doesn't like them because they're too heavy and bulky.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Don't bet your body on that.
I still say.....he didn't see the video ....first.
Doesn't really matter whether he did or not, if you know what the job entails. Hint: it ain't 'see a bruise and call it.'
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Mr Khan doesn't like this post.
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My sincere apologies to Mr Khan, his family and their affiliates. Should have said Mel Gibson.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Well, except when I'm attacked, and I call it out, and crickets are heard about the folks gaslighting the **** out of me. Suddenly their posts are just "meh, no big deal. Don't let them get to you."
Perhaps everyone else is silent or dismissive because they recognise that what you percieve to be personal attacks aren't actually so. Personal attacks are against the rules, and I'm confident that, if properly reported, the mods will together review the case in a fair and honest manner and respond accordingly. Disagreeing with you isn't a personal attack. You could argue that having a nasty tone while disagreeing might be personal, but considering that's usually a mutual two way street, you would be subject to the same penalties.

But once I flare up a bit, it's "stop being so rude, little missy!"

But when other people flare up and take the same tone as you, you regard it as a personal attack. So it's alright for you to be displeased with others when they get heated, but it's not alright for people to be displeased with you when you get heated?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Doesn't really matter whether he did or not, if you know what the job entails. Hint: it ain't 'see a bruise and call it.'

Hint back at you.....the choke was released and the guy continued speaking.

Crush windpipe and the loose lip won't work.

Hey!...get a friend to forearm your throat for ya!
Be sure to arrange a tapout maneuver first!
If he really goes for it....you won't say you can't breathe ....eleven times.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Perhaps everyone else is silent or dismissive because they recognise that what you percieve to be personal attacks aren't actually so. Personal attacks are against the rules, and I'm confident that, if properly reported, the mods will together review the case in a fair and honest manner and respond accordingly. Disagreeing with you isn't a personal attack. You could argue that having a nasty tone while disagreeing might be personal, but considering that's usually a mutual two way street, you would be subject to the same penalties.



But when other people flare up and take the same tone as you, you regard it as a personal attack. So it's alright for you to be displeased with others when they get heated, but it's not alright for people to be displeased with you when you get heated?

Jeez, not this again.

Whatever, FH. I'm a mod and have been one for a while, so I'm well aware of what a personal attack is. I don't need you to tell me how to do my volunteer work, son.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Jeez, not this again.
Funny, I thought the same thing when I saw your post. Yes, it is tiresome, but you're the one dragging out the silliness, so the ball is in your court to put it to rest.

Whatever, FH. I'm a mod and have been one for a while, so I'm well aware of what a personal attack is. I don't need you to tell me how to do my volunteer work, son.

If there have been any genuine personal attacks occuring, then I implore the mod team to tackle it. I'm confident that they'll handle it properly.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And now, back to something related to the OP, we have one cop's perspective on a particular bad shooting & the larger issues.....
Cop in the Hood: Police kill white people, too
Interesting snippet.....
According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports from 2000 to 2004, police-involved “justifiable homicides” kill about 350 people a year, 99 percent by shooting..... Virtually all police-involved killings, most for good reason, are categorized as justifiable. Of those killed by police, 32 percent are black and 64 percent are white. While the percentage of blacks killed is high compared with the black percentage in America (13%), it is low compared with other indicators of violence, such as the percentage of homicide victims and offenders believed to be African American (both 48%).
What I glean from this is that race plays a more complicated role than the simplistic sloganeering of the J Jacksons & A Sharptons.
 
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MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
And now, back to something related to the OP, we have one cop's perspective on a particular bad shooting & the larger issues.....
Cop in the Hood: Police kill white people, too
Interesting snippet.....

What I glean from this is that race plays a more complicated role than the simplistic sloganeering of the J Jacksons & A Sharptons.

It does. Agreed.

And it's a bigger role than the dismissals by right-wing radio hosts and academic liberal posturings.

The thing is, we NEED to talk about it. When it's said that "it has nothing to do with race", it's unhelpful at best and insulting at worst.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The thing is, we NEED to talk about it. When it's said that "it has nothing to do with race", it's unhelpful at best and insulting at worst.
We should all make the conscious decision to not be insulted by the opinions of others. They may be addressed at face value.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
We should all make the conscious decision to not be insulted by the opinions of others. They may be addressed at face value.

It's one thing to be personally insulted. I often don't feel insulted, except when it comes to rape apologetics (which we've been through before). I will often times find myself being triggered into various symptoms of PTSD when encountering rape apologetics, with which there are means of coping strategies I employ to get through.

It's another to hold an insulting opinion about others ideas. Such are within bounds of RF. Attack ideas, not people. Yadda yadda.

But it's okay to point out when an idea is condascending and insulting. Doesn't mean the person calling it out is insulted personally, just that the idea itself is being referenced to.

Often times, when a view is called "bigoted", there's a rush to judgement on whether or not saying so is a personal attack. Saying something is racist or sexist or homophobic has also been received as personal attacks by members if the intention is not to attack personally.

I mean, some things I've said around people of color have been called out as racist, and it's a difficult pill to swallow since we tend to see racism only coming from the Klan monsters and not from people like us. We think having our thoughts called racist is a personal attack. I think that points to just how conditioned we are to perceive our worldview as the default view, and that we identify personally with it.
 
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