We do? I wouldn't win.
I oppose giving government that much authority over us.
Atheism is not about imposing this perspective on others, even if some fraction of us might want to do that.
We're a diverse bunch.
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Gay Cake Row: How have we come to this point?
- Thread starter Ultimatum
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I oppose giving government that much authority over us.
Atheism is not about imposing this perspective on others, even if some fraction of us might want to do that.
We're a diverse bunch.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Religion is not being banned!!!
Human rights discrimination by religions is!
Religion's ability to force its religious laws on the rest of us is!
Hooray - for common sense.
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The Enlightened One
Contrarian
Who is "banning" religion? Also, without separation, who's views would take priority? Everybodies? Logistically, no, not happening. Religion is a personal thing and needs to stay out of legislature that effects others not of that religion.
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gsa
Well-Known Member
I will take the bait even though I reject your assumption: When Christianity came to prominence and power, it did not hesitate to establish Christian privilege in the law. Would Christians have a leg to stand on if atheists actually did the same thing, and made the state mildly hostile to supernaturalism? Not so much to establish "state atheism" or other ridiculous doctrines, but to simply make free thought and open inquiry and skepticism the presumptive rule?
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
who is harmed by seeing a Christmas tree in City Hall or by a picture of the ten commandments hanging on a wall? No one is forced to agree with it or believe in it. What if a Christian is offended by NOT seeing a Christmas tree. Then the atheist views win out and the Christian has no rights. If we respect ALL beliefs then we respect the atheist right not to have to believe but we also respect the Christian's right to have a decoration or picture of something he believes in but is not forcing anyone else to believe in. If just seeing a tree or picture offends you then maybe you are too easily offended. i am offended by some of the trash i see on TV or the movies but i don't go around trying to get them banned
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Who is trying to ban religion? Where are there any serious movements that even stand a chance at doing so?
Oh well. Christians do not own this nation, and it is not theirs to do with as they please.
Because you seem to be unaware of this, there are far more than just Christians and atheists. As an agnostic, I would be terribly annoyed and offended if I were forced to yield to either belief. Although I am of the LHP, I do not expect people to admire figures such as Prometheus and Lucifer, and I certainly would not wish my views, or anyone elses, to be favored by the state. Secular liberal democracies do not work that way.
Clearly there is a world's of difference between what is on TV and a state endorsing religion. With one you do not have to watch and you can change the channel or just turn the TV off. With the other, there is no way to simply change the channel when one religion is allowed to govern people who are not of that religion.
Mutual respect is the goal of a secular society. It isn't banning religion, it isn't doing away with it. Like it or not, a society built upon mutual respect and the ideals of a liberal democracy have no room for legal discrimination based on religious laws, or any laws.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
So you have no problem with giant lit Satanic Pentagrams, Or Thor and his Hammer, or other Pagan symbols, on Federal, State, and city property everywhere, during holidays? The Wiccan Creed, or perhaps the Satanic Creed, beside your ten commandments on City Hall walls?
Here is a nice page showing some of the symbols and Creeds which will join yours on the walls -
Church of Satan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Enlightened One
Contrarian
If they broke a law you would at least have a basis to, like in this context. Establishment clause.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Exactly. Legally this condition is meaningless.
The Enlightened One
Contrarian
Atheism shouldn't even be the focus here, it's not that we have a "right" not to believe, it's that we lack it regardless. We are just as affected by the favoring of one or more religions as non-represented religions would themselves. The point I'm making is that there is no reason for religion to even be executed in politics. If they get offended that they can't use the government as a platform for promoting their religion then maybe they're too easily offended.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's not about banning religion, it's about banning discrimination. Though it is also confirmation that Christians often forget to be Christ-like.
The Enlightened One
Contrarian
That Christ character did act in a confounding way sometimes, compared to the rest of his portrayal in the Bible and in society
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That Christ character did act in a confounding way sometimes, compared to the rest of his portrayal in the Bible and in society
Was Christ homophobic though? Did he say "Love your neighbour, but only if they're straight", or " Blessed are the heteros, for they shall populate the earth"?
The Enlightened One
Contrarian
Nah, luckily his own lifestyle was in conflict with the societal norms(kind of, I hear Messiahs were a hot topic), he just came off biggoted about non-Israelis to me.Was Christ homophobic though? Did he say "Love your neighbour, but only if they're straight", or " Blessed are the heteros, for they shall populate the earth"?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I tend to think that if Jesus and Heaven are real, those who call themselves Christian who want the right to discriminate must have Jesus' face red with embarrassment. Just as those who used to Bible to support racial discrimination. Just as those who used the Bible to support slavery. Just as his face must have been red when the Bible was used to support violence and spreading Christianity by the sword.Was Christ homophobic though? Did he say "Love your neighbour, but only if they're straight", or " Blessed are the heteros, for they shall populate the earth"?
It must really suck to have so many rotten followers like Jesus. You make it clear you are supposed to be loving, merciful, and forgiving, your example includes taking in societies "untouchables" and "scum" into your circles, yet so many just completely and totally missed the meaning of the message.
Wirey
Fartist
You can easily bribe St. Peter with gay wedding cake and sneak into Heaven! That's why the Christians don't want you to have it! They're afraid you'll redecorate! Do you know how long it took to get those clouds white? And now someone thinks they're bringing in chartreuse throw pillows? I don't thinks so!
Weddings should really be celebrated with pie.
It's so much better than cake.
But not that one in American Pie.
I never saw the movie, but I heard about how the pie was assaulted.
Blackberry pie is best.
It's so much better than cake.
But not that one in American Pie.
I never saw the movie, but I heard about how the pie was assaulted.
Blackberry pie is best.
Wirey
Fartist
And at the divorce, it can more easily be thrown.
dust1n
Zindīq
I liked arguments on both sides. However, I think the solution is easy: Entirely Unfettered Anarchy.
Conduct your business however you please, but if people decide the manner is objectionable and decide to burn down the business, don't expect the police and court system to be waiting for ya.
Next question.
Conduct your business however you please, but if people decide the manner is objectionable and decide to burn down the business, don't expect the police and court system to be waiting for ya.
Next question.