Subduction Zone
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You do not seem to like the fact that the real world is much more complicated than you want it to be.
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Gender reassignment/affirming surgery
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Ignatius A
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You seem to struggle with the fact that it isnt as complicated as you need it to be. I want to know what you think but I see thinking might be a problem for you. I'll try again though
I want to know if you think someone with a penis who believes, thinks or feels that they are a woman is actually a woman?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, it is complicated. You do not want it to be. You are in effect demanding a wrong answer. You have a buried false dichotomy in your question.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
I want to know if you think someone with a penis who believes, thinks or feels that they are a woman is actually a woman?
Why are struggling to tell us what you think? If someone with a penis believes, thinks or feels that they are a woman then they either are or are not actually a woman. Do you think someone with a penis who believes, thinks and feels that they are a man actually is a man?
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Unless you change your attitude you will never know.
This was already explained to you and you have not learned from your errors yet.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Maybe if you changed yours things would go better for you. Nah you people never consider that.
You can't bring yourself to say what you know is true. I get it. It's tough to admit you've been sold a lie.
We Never Know
No Slack
Ffs! Its a simple question.
"I want to know if you think someone with a penis who believes, thinks or feels that they are a woman is actually a woman?"
Why are you avoiding, dodging and running instead of answering ONE little question?
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Isn't it funny how they can't tell us what they think. See how "offended" they get?
I also asked if they think someone with a penis who believes thinks and feels that they are a man is actually a man. They can't answer that either.
We Never Know
No Slack
In all honesty... Your question puts them between a rock and a hard place.
Do they answer truthfully or do they answer to the life they have built here on RF.
Their best answer is no answer because the life they have built and portray here around posters they don't know has no consequences in their everyday life. So to keep face here, they have to give you the run around.
Because the implications of this question are a yes or no answer. Which does not exist here. That's why. I won't be disingenuous.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Sure it does. If they aren't actually a woman what are they? If they aren't actually a woman how do believe think or feel that they are a woman?That does not have a simple yes or no answer ffs.
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
How do you know that a woman is a woman. Because you say that XX makes a human a woman. But how do you know that is true?
@Subduction Zone , @The Hammer -
Categories matter. Without using categories, the modern life you enjoy would not be possible. And even though most category schemes allow for rare exceptions, they are still essential.
Biological sex matters. The fact that rare anomalies happen does not render biological sex wrong. For the vast majority of people, their biological sex, which is almost always established long before birth, impacts a vast array of developmental mechanisms as they grow and mature.
So unless an individual has a rare condition, they are either a man or a woman. It IS that simple. A trans man is NOT a man. A trans woman is NOT a woman.
You've been told. Biologists and doctors know this. If you think otherwise you've - one way or another - bought in to some weird post-modern, tear-it-all-down, destructive worldview. Society is NOT infinitely ****-with-able, so just stop.
Sex matters! It matters in healthcare - a lot. It matters when it comes to safeguarding women and girls. It matters in sports. It can matter in affirmative action.
Saying that a trans woman is a trans woman does not deny that person's existence. Pretending that a trans woman is a woman is misogynistic and needlessly zero-sum. Demanding that society accepts the lie that a trans woman is a woman does not help trans people, it vilifies them. It does not promote acceptance and good will to force people to lie.
Categories matter. Without using categories, the modern life you enjoy would not be possible. And even though most category schemes allow for rare exceptions, they are still essential.
Biological sex matters. The fact that rare anomalies happen does not render biological sex wrong. For the vast majority of people, their biological sex, which is almost always established long before birth, impacts a vast array of developmental mechanisms as they grow and mature.
So unless an individual has a rare condition, they are either a man or a woman. It IS that simple. A trans man is NOT a man. A trans woman is NOT a woman.
You've been told. Biologists and doctors know this. If you think otherwise you've - one way or another - bought in to some weird post-modern, tear-it-all-down, destructive worldview. Society is NOT infinitely ****-with-able, so just stop.
Sex matters! It matters in healthcare - a lot. It matters when it comes to safeguarding women and girls. It matters in sports. It can matter in affirmative action.
Saying that a trans woman is a trans woman does not deny that person's existence. Pretending that a trans woman is a woman is misogynistic and needlessly zero-sum. Demanding that society accepts the lie that a trans woman is a woman does not help trans people, it vilifies them. It does not promote acceptance and good will to force people to lie.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Sex is not gender.
I agree. Can you define gender and gender identity?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, sex is the body in general. Gender is parts of the brain:
Brain Sex in Transgender Women Is Shifted towards Gender Identity - PMC
Transgender people report discomfort with their birth sex and a strong identification with the opposite sex. The current study was designed to shed further light on the question of whether the brains of transgender people resemble their birth sex or ...
So this is your definition?