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Gender reassignment/affirming surgery

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
What whiny abuse? You keep claiming this over and over but have produced nothing to demonstrate it.

Or did you mean the whiny abuse you've displayed in this thread?

That isn't a pronoun, as the other poster has pointed out to you twice now.
"They" isn't a pronoun for a single person either but here we are. I love that you people want sole ownership of the rules. You have no authority to dictate how I view myself and you're being impolite and disrespectful if you don't refer to me as Lord and Master.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
"They" isn't a pronoun for a single person either but here we are. I love that you people want sole ownership of the rules. You have no authority to dictate how I view myself and you're being impolite and disrespectful if you don't refer to me as Lord and Master.
Maybe take a deep breath, have a drink, then come back to this thread when you're less emotional.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Maybe take a deep breath, have a drink, then come back to this thread when you're less emotional.
No need. Maybe you should buck up and actually address the issue. It's funny how you people always want things to flow only in one direction. The absurdity of your position is pointed into you and you can't handle it.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
No need. Maybe you should buck up and actually address the issue.
What issue? The issue that you think trans people are mean, which you have yet to demonstrate in any way?

It's funny how you people always want things to flow only in one direction.
Right now, things ARE flowing in only one direction. Your posts are getting shorter and formulating far less arguments. It's pretty obvious you have nothing to offer and you're avoiding actual debate. This thread started with you asking questions and me answering them, and without me saying a single controversial, rude or false thing, you've flown of the handle anyway and begun making spurious accusations and being incredibly rude and uncivil.

The absurdity of your position is pointed into you and you can't handle it.
Okay then, what is my position and what's absurd about it?
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
What issue? The issue that you think trans people are mean, which you have yet to demonstrate in any way?


Right now, things ARE flowing in only one direction. Your posts are getting shorter and formulating far less arguments. It's pretty obvious you have nothing to offer and you're avoiding actual debate. This thread started with you asking questions and me answering them, and without me saying a single controversial, rude or false thing, you've flown of the handle anyway and begun making spurious accusations and being incredibly rude and uncivil.


Okay then, what is my position and what's absurd about it?
Refer to me as Lord and Master. That's how I identify. Don't be impolite or disrespectful.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Not our problem that you don't know what pronouns are.
So this is not about how someone identifies it's about the use of "pronouns". So people are lopping off body parts for grammer? Wow! So this is just a movement to alter how people use pronouns. That's more twisted then I imagined.

The other thing is though I do know what a pronoun is and I know "they" is not a pronoun for a singular person unless of course you lop off a body part.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
So this is not about how someone identifies it's about the use of "pronouns".
I've said repeatedly it's about pronouns and names. I've never once deviated from that position.

So people are lopping off body parts for grammer? Wow!
What was the point of me spending several posts explaining this to you, in detail, if you're just going to ignore everything I explained?

So this is just a movement to alter how people use pronouns.
They're not being altered. They're being used how they've always been used.

That's more twisted then I imagined.
Uh huh. It's so evil and nefarious.

The other thing is though I do know what a pronoun is
No you don't. Hence why you keep thinking "lord" and "master" are pronouns.

and I know "they" is not a pronoun for a singular person unless of course you lop off a body part.
"They" is a non-gendered pronoun that is very commonly used to refer to singular people without specifying gender.
 
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Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
I've said repeatedly it's about pronouns and names. I've never once deviated from that position.


What was the point of me spending several posts explaining this to you, in detail, if you're just going to ignore everything I explained?


They're not being altered. They're being used how they've always been used.


Uh huh. It's so evil and nefarious.


No you don't. Hence why you keep thinking "lord" and "master" are pronouns.


"They" is a non-gendered impersonal pronoun that is very commonly used to refer to singular people without specifying gender.
So im right, this nothing more the grammer and not about how someone identifies. So some people can declare what they want to be called but not others. Fascinating
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
So im right, this nothing more the grammer
*grammar

and not about how someone identifies.
It's about a lot of things. How you identify and how you are referred to are somewhat related, but that's not the whole story. I've been explaining that for multiple pages now. Again, why have you been completely ignoring my many answers to your many questions?

So some people can declare what they want to be called but not others.
Not something anybody in this thread has ever said.

Fascinating
Delusional.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
*grammar


It's about a lot of things. How you identify and how you are referred to are somewhat related, but that's not the whole story. I've been explaining that for multiple pages now. Again, why have you been completely ignoring my many answers to your many questions?


Not something anybody in this thread has ever said.


Delusional.
Yeah grammar. This is not about how someone identifies it's about pronouns. You're right it's not fascinating it's hilariously absurd.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Yeah grammar. This is not about how someone identifies it's about pronouns.
No, it's only partly about pronouns. Identity is made up of lots of different things, including names and pronouns.

You're right it's not fascinating it's hilariously absurd.
What's absurd? The idea that people have names and pronouns, and that these are related to how we identify?

What's absurd about that, specifically?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
"They" isn't a pronoun for a single person either but here we are.
Sure it is.

I love that you people want sole ownership of the rules. You have no authority to dictate how I view myself and you're being impolite and disrespectful if you don't refer to me as Lord and Master.
This was in response to, "What whiny abuse? You keep claiming this over and over but have produced nothing to demonstrate it.

Or did you mean the whiny abuse you've displayed in this thread?

That isn't a pronoun, as the other poster has pointed out to you twice now."


So in summary:
1. You've given no actual examples of this "whiny abuse" you claim all transgender people are engaging in.
2. You don't know what pronouns are, and are confusing them with titles.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I addressed exactly what you said.
No, you did not.

You thought that was the behaviour in the article that was unacceptable? The person quietly minding their own business was the unacceptable part?
Not the part where someone filmed someone in a change room and then posted it all over the internet?
That part is totally acceptable?

This crap is out of control, alright. Good grief.

Your response: "So what you think is unacceptable is more valid than what someone else thinks is unacceptable. Why should anyone's mother or daughter who are real woman share a shower area with a man?"

If you'll notice, my post contained questions with question marks and everything. You've provided no response to said questions in your response. Just reactionary accusatory statements.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
So this is not about how someone identifies it's about the use of "pronouns". So people are lopping off body parts for grammer? Wow! So this is just a movement to alter how people use pronouns. That's more twisted then I imagined.

The other thing is though I do know what a pronoun is and I know "they" is not a pronoun for a singular person unless of course you lop off a body part.
You seem to be sputtering about here.

You claim to want to be called "Lord and Master" as though that is a pronoun. It isn't a pronoun. It's a title.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
You claim to want to be called "Lord and Master" as though that is a pronoun. It isn't a pronoun. It's a title.
In writing and speaking, titles can be used in place of sexed/gendered pronouns. It's unconventional and more than a little awkward in the modern day but not without precedent. I had a really eccentric instructor once who always referred to themselves in the third person using their title and last name. They didn't demand other students do so, but many did because it was just too much fun. They were such a character, inspired a love of life science above and beyond what most other instructors I had did. In part because of that really weird quirk of them always talking about themselves in the third person without pronouns. And the fact that they tossed what we were supposed to be learning about in the dumpster and instead had us do hands on biology in class.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I was responding specifically to the question of why someone would feel the need to medically transition if gender is a social construct. I'm explaining how a social construct can influence people's decisions about their physical appearance.
I haven't undergone the pain of having facial hair removed because of a social construct that says women generally have none or very fine hairs on their face. That isn't a social thing. It's a biological difference between men and women.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
"They" isn't a pronoun for a single person either but here we are. I love that you people want sole ownership of the rules. You have no authority to dictate how I view myself and you're being impolite and disrespectful if you don't refer to me as Lord and Master.
Actually, a singular they is an older use that fell into obscurity and has come back into common use recently.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I haven't undergone the pain of having facial hair removed because of a social construct that says women generally have none or very fine hairs on their face. That isn't a social thing. It's a biological difference between men and women.
Once again, I didn't say that literally all transition is due to a social construct. I was explaining how a social construct CAN lead to people feeling the pressure to medically transition. I've explicitly stated multiple times that none of what I have said is universal or applicable to every individual trans experience, or accurately describes why every trans person transitions. I was specifically responding to the question that asked HOW SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS can influence people to change their appearance. That's all.
 
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