Gender reassignment/affirming surgery

[Ignatius A]

Actually, a singular they is an older use that fell into obscurity and has come back into common use recently.

Right when pronouns became more important than how people identify.

 

[Ignatius A]

No, it's only partly about pronouns. Identity is made up of lots of different things, including names and pronouns.


What's absurd? The idea that people have names and pronouns, and that these are related to how we identify?

What's absurd about that, specifically?

The absurdity is that you think you can discount my identity as Lord and Master simply because you think they are names and pronouns. You folks never like your own rules applied to you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Right when pronouns became more important than how people identify.

That doesn't follow. Pronouns/statements of identity becoming more important than how people identify is how it happened?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The absurdity is that you think you can discount my identity as Lord and Master simply because you think they are names and pronouns. You folks never like your own rules applied to you.

Lord and Master is a title, not pronoun. Learn English.

pronoun
/prō′noun″/
noun
-The part of speech that substitutes for nouns or noun phrases and designates persons or things asked for, previously specified, or understood from the context.
-Any of the words within this part of speech, such as he or whom.
-A word used instead of a noun or name, to avoid the repetition of it. The personal pronouns in English are I, thou or you, he, she, it, we, ye, and they.

 

[Ignatius A]

That doesn't follow. Pronouns/statements of identity becoming more important than how people identify is how it happened?

Sure it does. What people call you doesnt change what you are.

 

[Ignatius A]

Lord and Master is a title, not pronoun. Learn English.

pronoun
/prō′noun″/
noun
-The part of speech that substitutes for nouns or noun phrases and designates persons or things asked for, previously specified, or understood from the context.
-Any of the words within this part of speech, such as he or whom.
-A word used instead of a noun or name, to avoid the repetition of it. The personal pronouns in English are I, thou or you, he, she, it, we, ye, and they.

So as I said this about grammar not how someone identifies. If someone with a penis can call themself a she based solely on how they did identify then nothing should stop me from calling myself Lord and Master if that's how I identify.

And even if it is "just" a name how dare you dead name me. So some people can demand I use a specific pronoun but I can't tell people how they must refer to me.

 

[VoidCat]

If someone with a penis can call themself a she based solely on how they did identify then nothing should stop me from calling myself Lord and Master if that's how I identify.

Imma just leave this here since you were complaining about singular they not being grammarly correct

 

[VoidCat]

The absurdity is that you think you can discount my identity as Lord and Master simply because you think they are names and pronouns. You folks never like your own rules applied to you.

This reminds me of bdsm insisting on being called lord or master so here's what imma say

...You may identify as a dom but im not your sub....i aint got to call you either if those. See consent is a thing and for someone to be a dom in bdsm the submissive has to consent to being the sub and giving you that title...

I'm just saying if you looking to have folk feed into your kink of being a dom you kinda need consent for that...

 

[Ignatius A]

Imma just leave this here since you were complaining about singular they not being grammarly correct

Irrelevant. Fact is some people are allowed to demand how people refer to them but others can't. It's nonsense. If i identify as Lord and Master why can't I demand people refer to me as such? Because it's not a pronoun? Really? And what of dead naming? That's only for some people ?

 

[Ignatius A]

...You may identify as a dom but im not your sub....i aint got to call you either if those. See consent is a thing and for someone to be a dom in bdsm the submissive has to consent to being the sub and giving you that title...

I'm just saying if you looking to have folk feed into your kink of being a dom you kinda need consent for that...

Then I dont need to call you "she" if you're a man in a dress. You kinda need my consent for that. I love agreement.

 

[VoidCat]

Then I dont need to call you "she" if you're a man in a dress. I love agreement.

You don't got to but folk got every right to feel you are being rude and not want to talk to you cuz of it

You dont have to call anyone anything but folk got just as much right to call you a jerk for refusing to be polite. Folk may however get consequences for doing so

What we say has consequences.

 

[VoidCat]

Irrelevant. Fact is some people are allowed to demand how people refer to them but others can't. It's nonsense. If i identify as Lord and Master why can't I demand people refer to me as such? Because it's not a pronoun? Really? And what of dead naming? That's only for some people ?

You certainly could. But folk have the right to do so or not to do so. And to see you as pretentious because of it

 

[VoidCat]

@Ignatius A

I also see you ignored the comment I made that i as a trans person don't typically fly off the handle unless a person is being deliberately rude.


Why is it you see all these videos of extreme examples of folk flying off the handle due to an accidental misgendering that could be very well a minority as this is how most trans folk act? And you know not trans folk telling you that hey many of us dont fly off the handle unless it purposeful as being more common?

Is it because you latching onto this narrative as an excuse to demonize a whole group or something? I dont see why you didnt pay any attention to that

 

[Ignatius A]

You certainly could. But folk have the right to do so or not to do so. And to see you as pretentious because of it

As I have the right to or not to refer to people by their preferred title. I think men who wear dresses because they feel like they're a woman are delusional. Should I care what you think of me?

 

[Ignatius A]

@Ignatius A

I also see you ignored the comment I made that i as a trans person don't typically fly off the handle unless a person is being deliberately rude.


Why is it you see all these videos of extreme examples of folk flying off the handle due to an accidental misgendering that could be very well a minority as this is how most trans folk act? And you know not trans folk telling you that hey many of us dont fly off the handle unless it purposeful as being more common?

Is it because you latching onto this narrative as an excuse to demonize a whole group or something? I dont see why you didnt pay any attention to that

If I identify as Lord and Master and you refuse to call me that then you're being deliberately rude. Why would yiu want to go through life being impolite and disrespectful?

 

[VoidCat]

This thread has been 7 pages of repetition and like @Ignatius A here I dont care enough to care what folk think of me to stay on here. Imma go unwatch this thread.

 

[SkepticThinker]

In writing and speaking, titles can be used in place of sexed/gendered pronouns. It's unconventional and more than a little awkward in the modern day but not without precedent. I had a really eccentric instructor once who always referred to themselves in the third person using their title and last name. They didn't demand other students do so, but many did because it was just too much fun. They were such a character, inspired a love of life science above and beyond what most other instructors I had did. In part because of that really weird quirk of them always talking about themselves in the third person without pronouns. And the fact that they tossed what we were supposed to be learning about in the dumpster and instead had us do hands on biology in class.

I like it. Sounds like a Seinfeld episode

 

[Ignatius A]

This thread has been 7 pages of repetition and like @Ignatius A here I dont care enough to care what folk think of me to stay on here. Imma go unwatch this thread.

Fine. The point doesnt become invalid. Fact is if I identify as Lord and Master and you refuse to call me that's is just as impolite and disrespectful as you claim im being if I call a man who identifies as a woman, "he". To claim ones a title and ones a pronoun so its different is utter foolishness.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Irrelevant. Fact is some people are allowed to demand how people refer to them but others can't. It's nonsense. If i identify as Lord and Master why can't I demand people refer to me as such? Because it's not a pronoun? Really? And what of dead naming? That's only for some people ?

It's definitely not irrelevant that you negated your own argument. It's very relevant.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Irrelevant. Fact is some people are allowed to demand how people refer to them but others can't. It's nonsense. If i identify as Lord and Master why can't I demand people refer to me as such? Because it's not a pronoun? Really? And what of dead naming? That's only for some people ?

We all "demand" people call us what we choose to be called every time we introduce ourselves to another human being.
What's so hard about being courteous and respectful toward others?