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Gender reassignment/affirming surgery

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Sorry but having a man in the woman's shower is not acceptable. Period.
 
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McBell

Unbound
Sorry but having a man in the woman's shower is not acceptable. Period.
What is you thought on the person who directly violated the pre-established rules that they agreed to before hand by posting video of a person who is not violating any rules that where predetermined and agreed upon before hand all over the internet?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What is you thought on the person who directly violated the pre-established rules that they agreed to before hand by posting video of a person who is not violating any rules that where predetermined and agreed upon before hand all over the internet?
Regardless, I'm sure there will be less natural women utilizing the services there.

More to the point , she did break the rules but so did the center for allowing men into a woman's private space.

I wouldn't be surprised to see pending lawsuits if the business never informed their female patrons they will allow men into their shower space.
 

McBell

Unbound
Regardless, I'm sure there will be less natural women utilizing the services there.

More to the point , she did break the rules but so did the center for allowing men into a woman's private space.

I wouldn't be surprised to see pending lawsuits if the business never informed their female patrons they will allow men into their shower space.
Except for the fact that Planet Fitness flat out states:

All members, including transgender members, may use Planet Fitness® locker room facilities, bathrooms, showers, and all other facilities/programs separated by sex based on their self-reported gender identity.​
Do you agree that the member who posted locker room videos should have lost their membership?
You know, in accordance to Planet Fitness policy?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Except for the fact that Planet Fitness flat out states:

All members, including transgender members, may use Planet Fitness® locker room facilities, bathrooms, showers, and all other facilities/programs separated by sex based on their self-reported gender identity.​
Do you agree that the member who posted locker room videos should have lost their membership?
You know, in accordance to Planet Fitness policy?
No i dont agree. Planet Fitness needs to respect the privacy of natural women which they clearly are not doing.

Maybe on a technicality your right in terms of the rules if made obvious and clear beforehand, but that depends on how clearly in the fine print it's being defined to people who sign up.


It also can be argued Planet Fitness's rule is already unlawful under title IX civil rights law for which the National College Athletics Association has a pending lawsuit under similar circumstances.

Suffice to say people know now , so the impact of this will be interesting for the future.
 

McBell

Unbound
No i dont agree. Planet Fitness needs to respect the privacy of natural women which they clearly are not doing.
So you have not looked at the policies of Planet Fitness...

Maybe on a technicality your right in terms of the rules if made obvious and clear beforehand, but that depends on how clearly in the fine print it's being defined to people who sign up.
Planet Fitness has made no secret their policies concerning their locker rooms.

It also can be argued Planet Fitness's rule is already unlawful under title IX civil rights law for which the National College Athletics Association has a pending lawsuit under similar circumstances.
When did Planet Fitness become a College?

Suffice to say people know now , so the impact of this will be interesting for the future.
I suspect the impact will not be nearly as dramatic as you seem to want it to be.

I am actually most curious what legal actions will be taken against the now ex-member posting locker room video.
Most districts have laws against taking pictures and video in bathrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms etc.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Once again, I didn't say that literally all transition is due to a social construct. I was explaining how a social construct CAN lead to people feeling the pressure to medically transition. I've explicitly stated multiple times that none of what I have said is universal or applicable to every individual trans experience, or accurately describes why every trans person transitions. I was specifically responding to the question that asked HOW SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS can influence people to change their appearance. That's all.
I get that. But surgical interventions are things that aren't really social. It's not social pressure that has us doing it. The surgery to make you sound more female is risky, it's easy to mess it up during the lengthy healing period, but it's done anyways because the sound of our voices themselves is not social. How we talk is, amd that's why we adopt verbal mannerisms of the sex we identify as. But men and women have voices different enough that even other animals have been shown to have expectations of what men amd women generally sound like.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I am actually most curious what legal actions will be taken against the now ex-member posting locker room video.
Most districts have laws against taking pictures and video in bathrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms etc.
Just goes to show the bigots are far more invasive and intrusive. Amy form of recordings in those settings tends to be a no.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It also can be argued Planet Fitness's rule is already unlawful under title IX civil rights law for which the National College Athletics Association has a pending lawsuit under similar circumstances.
Ok. Lets carefully read this so you can understand why this could never be successfully argued in court.
Who are the these two entites you mentioned? What is the purpose of their existence?
What is the law you reference? What does it state? Where does it apply?
What is the nature of this lawsuit?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Ok. Lets carefully read this so you can understand why this could never be successfully argued in court.
Who are the these two entites you mentioned? What is the purpose of their existence?
What is the law you reference? What does it state? Where does it apply?
What is the nature of this lawsuit?
I'm sure you are acquainted with the Riley Gaines lawsuit which includes having natural women being forced to share their locker room.

It's that one.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
The absurdity is that you think you can discount my identity as Lord and Master simply because you think they are names and pronouns.
You are clearly confused. We're saying they're NOT names and pronouns, they're titles. Do you not understand the difference between a name, a pronoun and a title?

You folks never like your own rules applied to you.
What rule do you think we are using? Where have we said people get to choose their own titles?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why should they? (Sarcasm) Natal women are nothing, we're expected to silently endure whatever the far left and the far right decide. We're irrelevant, second class.
It's exactly that attitude that fuels the ire of natural women and what they have to put up with for sure.
 

McBell

Unbound
I'm sure you are acquainted with the Riley Gaines lawsuit which includes having natural women being forced to share their locker room.

It's that one.
Planet Fitness is not a college, nor does it receive federal funds for education purposes.

So the lawsuit you mention does not apply to Planet Fitness.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Planet Fitness is not a college, nor does it receive federal funds for education purposes.

So the lawsuit you mention does not apply to Planet Fitness.
It's still a law. Unless you happen to see the law as exclusive only to government funded educational institutions.
 

McBell

Unbound
It's still a law. Unless you happen to see the law as exclusive only to government funded educational institutions.
I do not "happen" to see it that way.
The law flat out states it is that way:

Title IX applies to schools, local and state educational agencies, and other institutions that receive federal financial assistance from the Department. These recipients include approximately 17,600 local school districts, over 5,000 postsecondary institutions, and charter schools, for-profit schools, libraries, and museums. Also included are vocational rehabilitation agencies and education agencies of 50 states, the District of Columbia, and territories of the United States.​
A recipient institution that receives Department funds must operate its education program or activity in a nondiscriminatory manner free of discrimination based on sex, including sexual orientation and gender identity. Some key issue areas in which recipients have Title IX obligations are: recruitment, admissions, and counseling; financial assistance; athletics; sex-based harassment, which encompasses sexual assault and other forms of sexual violence; treatment of pregnant and parenting students; treatment of LGBTQI+ students; discipline; single-sex education; and employment. Also, no recipient or other person may intimidate, threaten, coerce, or discriminate against any individual for the purpose of interfering with any right or privilege secured by Title IX or its implementing regulations, or because the individual has made a report or complaint, testified, assisted, or participated or refused to participate in a proceeding under Title IX. For a recipient to retaliate in any way is considered a violation of Title IX. The Department’s Title IX regulations (Volume 34, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 106) provide additional information about the forms of discrimination prohibited by Title IX.​

 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
What is you thought on the person who directly violated the pre-established rules that they agreed to before hand by posting video of a person who is not violating any rules that where predetermined and agreed upon before hand all over the internet?
I've asked that several times and received absolutely no response.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
No i dont agree. Planet Fitness needs to respect the privacy of natural women which they clearly are not doing.
Ah, so only "natural women" deserve privacy?
Maybe on a technicality your right in terms of the rules if made obvious and clear beforehand, but that depends on how clearly in the fine print it's being defined to people who sign up.


It also can be argued Planet Fitness's rule is already unlawful under title IX civil rights law for which the National College Athletics Association has a pending lawsuit under similar circumstances.

Suffice to say people know now , so the impact of this will be interesting for the future.
I find it far more alarming that you don't think a person who videotaped a person in a change room setting and posted it all over the internet should receive any punishment or consequences for invading someone' privacy but you think that a person minding their own business and just carrying on with their life and not actually bothering anyone should receive punishment or consequences for doing ... nothing.

That's messed up to me. I mean, just add "trans" to the picture and peoples' rationality just seems to go right out the window.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It's exactly that attitude that fuels the ire of natural women and what they have to put up with for sure.
Yeah, I keep seeing men telling me that "natural women" are so upset by trans people, and yet I only ever see men making such claims.

There wasn't much to "put up with" in your scenario. That trans person was just minding their own business. If anything that trans person had to "put up" with some Nosy Nellie invading their personal space.
What I won't "put up with" is anyone filming another person in a change room and plastering it all over the internet. Good grief, that's invasive!
 
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