Genesis 2

[outhouse]

Having altered the body and spirit of Man....
the next step would be an event to be sure the alteration took hold.

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You have a date for that?


Homo Sapiens have been around for 200,000 years. I am not sure Israelites who have only been around for some 3200 years have any sort of accurate biological record of the species.

Do you have any credible sources at all?

 

[Thief]

You have a date for that?


Homo Sapiens have been around for 200,000 years. I am not sure Israelites who have only been around for some 3200 years have any sort of accurate biological record of the species.

Do you have any credible sources at all?

I don't believe in time.
I do believe in linear existence.

We started from what? and became something else.....something more.

Got a denial for that?

 

[outhouse]

I don't believe in time.

Time is a fact, you don't get the luxury of opinion here.

I do believe in linear existence.

Please provide a credible source please.

We started from what?

A species that existed before us.

But if your looking for origin and failed to express yourself properly and wanted to know about abiogenesis then, we started from chemicals in sea water.

Explains why out blood mirrors sea water. As do all red blooded animals that also evolved from the ocean.

and became something else.....something more.

Homo Sapiens, yes.

Got a denial for that?

Of course I deny the denial of facts.

 

[Thief]

Time is a fact, you don't get the luxury of opinion here.

Nope...for real...it isn't.


Please provide a credible source please.

That would be you....past, present and future.





A species that existed before us.

But if your looking for origin and failed to express yourself properly and wanted to know about abiogenesis then, we started from chemicals in sea water.

Explains why out blood mirrors sea water. As do all red blooded animals that also evolved from the ocean.

ok


Homo Sapiens, yes.


skipping past the previous item?


Of course I deny the denial of facts.

As always your denial is noted....but never noteworthy.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Thief, I know the you do not believe that slain animal to "clothe their nakedness" was "bloodless".
Since the Scriptures state that the penalty for SIN is "Death", and the Scriptures indicate the first death is one that all die(wicked and righteous) and the second death is because one refuses to repent of those "incriminating words and deeds" and submit to the Father's Will----, Just how do you propose to pay that sin debt (death) and still live?
Those fig leaves did not satisfy the debt for Adam and Eve.
Right actions/behavior after the fact still leaves one guilty before the GOD of the Universe.

I recall it was God that gave Adam and Eve animal skins to cover their bodies.
I didn't see a sacrifice in that move.

I don't impose a debt problem in the garden event.
The alledged temptation has been thought of as a test.
I am not opposed to that notion.

Having altered the body and spirit of Man....
the next step would be an event to be sure the alteration took hold.

Would Man be that creature curious to know....even if death could be pending?

YES!....the alteration took hold.
We are that creature.

That we 'cover' our revelation with religion doesn't mean we all understand.
The need to cover is no more than a symptom.

God did ask....'who told you, you are naked?'
The urge to cover up is no more than our souls knowing we can't really hide.

That animal sacrificed not only gave/was sacrificed its life, but its skin to clothe mankind.(It shed its life giving/sustaining Blood in the process.)

It wasn't just a "test", but a life or death situation. And there certainly were some changes from the way GOD had Created Mankind.---From "dust" back to "dust". From being Created to live eternally, to having a short lifespan. And being separated from the Creator GOD.

The Scriptures state the penalty/wages/consequences for disobeying is/was death. The removal of the life GOD had given to that formed "dust" from which mankind had been formed. Adam became a living "soul"/being/person.

Scripturally, The next step from being returned to 'Dust" is in the restoration of the person via the process of being born again through Confession, Repenting and submitting to the Will of the Father.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Thief
I don't believe in time.

Time is a fact, you don't get the luxury of opinion here.

The Creator GOD is without beginning or ending. This world was Created and scripturally, it will have an ending. As I have noted in the past, mankind in their quest for "origins" continues to use the "luxury" of pushing back that "time" to account for all the processes that GOD spake into existance in six literal days.

Originally Posted by Thief I do believe in linear existence.

Please provide a credible source please.

The Species still produce the same species regardless of man's "genetic manipulations."

Originally Posted by Thief We started from what?

A species that existed before us.

But if your looking for origin and failed to express yourself properly and wanted to know about abiogenesis then, we started from chemicals in sea water.

Explains why out blood mirrors sea water. As do all red blooded animals that also evolved from the ocean.

Not hardly! The dust of the earth contains all the minerals of the periodic table and the rivers carried them into the seas. GOD didn't need the seas to produced all "species", but mankind had to have a cauldron(seas) to brew up its false theories.
God placed "species" within the fresh water as well.

Chemicals have no ability to produce life in themselves, but we are fearfully and wonderfully made of a large array of "Chemicals".

Originally Posted by Thief and became something else.....something more.

Homo Sapiens, yes.

GOD said in the Scriptures that man(Homo Sapiens) did Not come from from "something else", but was created from the dust of the ground and made in the image of GOD.

 

[outhouse]

The Creator GOD is without beginning or ending.

You dont know that.


Can you back it with a credible source?

to account for all the processes that GOD spake into existance in six literal days.

Isnt this scientifically impossible?

Do you have any credible sources that back this up?

The Species still produce the same species regardless of man's "genetic manipulations."

Do you have any credible sources for that.

Speciation is factual. There is no debate about evolution in the scientific community

GOD said in the Scriptures that man(Homo Sapiens) did Not come from from "something else", but was created from the dust of the ground and made in the image of GOD.

No god has ever written a single letter in your books. Man wrote every last letter.

Your scripture never speaks a word about Homo Sapiens, nor the 200,000 years we know the have existed.

We also know Homo Sapiens have evolved from prior species.


Do you have any CREDIBLE scientific evidence that humans magically appeared from Dirt ?

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Originally Posted by Thief
I don't believe in time.



The Creator GOD is without beginning or ending. This world was Created and scripturally, it will have an ending. As I have noted in the past, mankind in their quest for "origins" continues to use the "luxury" of pushing back that "time" to account for all the processes that GOD spake into existance in six literal days.

Originally Posted by Thief I do believe in linear existence.



The Species still produce the same species regardless of man's "genetic manipulations."

Originally Posted by Thief We started from what?



Not hardly! The dust of the earth contains all the minerals of the periodic table and the rivers carried them into the seas. GOD didn't need the seas to produced all "species", but mankind had to have a cauldron(seas) to brew up its false theories.
God placed "species" within the fresh water as well.

Chemicals have no ability to produce life in themselves, but we are fearfully and wonderfully made of a large array of "Chemicals".

Originally Posted by Thief and became something else.....something more.



GOD said in the Scriptures that man(Homo Sapiens) did Not come from from "something else", but was created from the dust of the ground and made in the image of GOD.

We have tangible evidence for evolution.

Where is your evidence for a literal 6 day creation period?... Other than simply just taking the word of 2,000 year old, primitive, scientifically illiterate tribesmen.

 

[Thief]

We have tangible evidence for evolution.
Where is your evidence for a literal 6 day creation period?... Other than simply just taking the word of 2,000 year old, primitive, scientifically illiterate tribesmen.

You've made an assumption....that I don't believe in evolution?

Man is made of dust....true.
Man is evolved...true.

That you haven't put the two ideas together......

 

[outhouse]

Man is made of dust....true.

Is it true?


Do you have a source to back that up?


Anything at all other then opinion or faith?

 

[Thief]

Is it true?


Do you have a source to back that up?


Anything at all other then opinion or faith?

Try cutting yourself.
Bleed a little for what you believe.

Then observe ...as the blood dries up and blows away.

 

[outhouse]

Try cutting yourself.
Bleed a little for what you believe.

Then observe ...as the blood dries up and blows away.

So you have no sources for anything at all?

Just faith alone?

 

[Thief]

So you have no sources for anything at all?

Just faith alone?

Bleed for me.

 

[outhouse]

Bleed for me.

I feel no need to mythologically bleed for you, nor allegorically.


So you have no sources for anything at all?

Just faith alone?

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

You've made an assumption....that I don't believe in evolution?

Man is made of dust....true.
Man is evolved...true.

That you haven't put the two ideas together......

Actually... Earth's crust is made mostly of Silicon, Magnesium, and Sulfur, while humans are made mostly of Carbon, Nitrogen, and water (Hydrogen+ Oxygen.)

 

[gnostic]

You've made an assumption....that I don't believe in evolution?

Man is made of dust....true.

No :no:
Man come mother and father....from egg and sperm.

Dust is by-product waste, worn through age.

Human is mostly made out of water.

You should crack open a biology textbook, especially on human anatomy (on reproduction).

The 1st man being made out of earth, from dust, soil or clay is a common mythological theme, that have no bearing in scientific reality. Genesis 2 is not science at all. And Genesis 1 doesn't say anything about humans being made out if the earth; it only just say man and woman was created in his image. Genesis 1 & 2 provide 2 different myths.

 

[outhouse]

No :no:
Man come mother and father....from egg and sperm.

Dust is by-product waste, worn through age.

Human is mostly made out of water.

You should crack open a biology textbook, especially on human anatomy (on reproduction).

The 1st man being made out of earth, from dust, soil or clay is a common mythological theme, that have no bearing in scientific reality. Genesis 2 is not science at all. And Genesis 1 doesn't say anything about humans being made out if the earth; it only just say man and woman was created in his image. Genesis 1 & 2 provide 2 different myths.

Careful, next he will start with the unsubstantiated "spirit first" to try and justify his claims of faith.

 

[gnostic]

Careful, next he will start with the unsubstantiated "spirit first" to try and justify his claims of faith.

I don't have any problem with Thief having faith or belief. It is only when claim like that, that I'd question.

 

[outhouse]

I don't have any problem with Thief having faith or belief. It is only when claim like that, that I'd question.

Problem is he starts making unsubstantiated claims with no source.


I don't have a problem with peoples faith either, as long as they don't try and make statements from it they cannot back.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by gnostic
No :no:
Man come mother and father....from egg and sperm.

Dust is by-product waste, worn through age.

Human is mostly made out of water.

You should crack open a biology textbook, especially on human anatomy (on reproduction).

The 1st man being made out of earth, from dust, soil or clay is a common mythological theme, that have no bearing in scientific reality. Genesis 2 is not science at all. And Genesis 1 doesn't say anything about humans being made out if the earth; it only just say man and woman was created in his image. Genesis 1 & 2 provide 2 different myths.
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Careful, next he will start with the unsubstantiated "spirit first" to try and justify his claims of faith.

Gnostic, Genesis two is a continuation of what is said in Genesis one. notice 2:4-7, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul/being/person." Neither chapter is/are myths.

Todays biology textbook doesn't have Mankind coming from an egg and sperm originally----It is based upon the myth of evolution. However, after the established mature organism from the Creator GODs hands, yes, human beings are reproduced from the Ova(seed of the female/woman) uniting with the Sperm(seed of the male/man--- with the exception of the promised Messiah--- where the Holy Spirit provided the necessary birthing material to produce the promised Messiah)

That "Dust" is every element known and unknown to mankind upon this earth and the heavens which were Created by GOD.
Yes, that "mostly water" is necessary for the pliability of the Animal and plant kingdoms and more importantly to produce the "sap" and "blood" for the maintaining of the life with the life-giving nutrients of the plant or animal life.