Genesis 2

[sincerly]

Man, we are talking about 2 different things.

I was only talking of simple human reproduction, basic biology. My post is not about evolution (biodiversity) or not about abiogenesis (origin of first life).

Just human reproduction, in which two people (male and female) have sex, the woman would conceive, carry the foetus to term, and eventually give birth.

Hence, a baby is not made out of dust. The egg and sperm are not "dust".

Do you even know what a dust is?

You do understand what human reproduction is, don't you?

You are still wanting to separate the Creator GOD from ALL THAT HE MADE AND IS STILL ENVOLVED IN THAT LIFE HE CONSIDERS WORTHY OF SACRIFICING THE LIFE OF HIS SON IN GIVING EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.
The human body "is fearfully and wonderfully made". Ps.139:14 And that of many of the elements in the "periodic table of elements".

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Death has always been part of the scheme of things.

Fault?....yes of course.
Punishment?....for those that deserve it.

Put as per your post....it is obvious.....
you can't see where the line is drawn between metaphor and literal.

Care to explain how exactly is it our fault? We didn't even exist at that time.

 

[Thief]

Care to explain how exactly is it our fault? We didn't even exist at that time.

How about....God is perfect.....and we are not.

 

[sincerly]

The ignorance of creationists never cease to amaze me.

The ignorant one's are the one's who deny the Scriptural Creation GOD. To each his own.

 

[gnostic]

And the blatant dysfunctional denial is stubborn.

Everything you are came up from the ground....all of it.

There is a huge difference between dust and sperm/egg.

Saying EVERYTHING is made out of dust is simplistic over-generalization, not mention utterly ignorant.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

You are still wanting to separate the Creator GOD from ALL THAT HE MADE AND IS STILL ENVOLVED IN THAT LIFE HE CONSIDERS WORTHY OF SACRIFICING THE LIFE OF HIS SON IN GIVING EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.
The human body "is fearfully and wonderfully made". Ps.139:14 And that of many of the elements in the "periodic table of elements".

AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! HECK YEAHHH, CAPS LOCK!!!! MY POINT IS SOOOO MUCH MORE VALID NOW... YEAHHH!!!!!

 

[Thief]

There is a huge difference between dust and sperm/egg.

Yeah well...you're not chiseled out of stone....carved out of wood....
and you are not a clay image....

though some may what to push the notion.

Still...your substance is of this earth...and back you will go.

 

[outhouse]

The Scriptures which have proved to be true.

I don't find this correct.

Science has successfully refuted this by factual work in different areas of cultural anthropology.

Historians have successfully refuted literal translations as well.



Do you have any credible sources that your point is true?

 

[outhouse]

The ignorant one's are the one's who deny the Scriptural Creation GOD. To each his own.

Don't you mean deny your personal interpretation???

Everyone who doesn't think like me is wrong, yeesh, never heard that before.

 

[Thief]

Don't you mean deny your personal interpretation???

Everyone who doesn't think like me is wrong, yeesh, never heard that before.

Ever listen to yourself?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly Hi TL, the greater amounts/numbers of deaths is from other things rather than "cancer and starvation".
Had there been Obedience, instead of disobedience, there would not have been any deaths.

Sign up for what?? Your "plan" would have to include the ability to bring it about. No human being has that ability. As the inability to produce life from "nothing" is beyond human capability.

So it's our fault that a dirt-man and a rib-woman ate a piece of fruit 6000 years ago? If not, why punish us for it? Also, I'm saying if I did have the means to be a god, I certainly wouldn't just stand there doing nothing while human beings are starving to death and being eaten alive by cancer.

Hi TL, No! As the Scriptures reveal, that "dirt-man" and "rib-woman" were subject to death as the penalty for disobedience. Because no other human being had been born at that time of disobeying, that second death penalty passed to all unborn generations. Therefore, as Jesus stated(John 3:16) being born again by the sanctifying Blood represented in the Atoneing death of Jesus Christ one's death penalty is "blotted out"/wiped clean/nullified.
Therefore, the Redeemed are not "punished' for the curse placed upon all things.
God sends the sunshine and the rain upon all men/persons. Sickness and deseases happens to all persons. However, do all seek GOD for relief or do they disbelief and curse GOD? Are The laws given by GOD for a/the right relationship to God and to Mankind obeyed or ingored? Notice Ex.15:26, "And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee." (Also, Deut. 7:15; 28:58-60)

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
You are still wanting to separate the Creator GOD from ALL THAT HE MADE AND IS STILL ENVOLVED IN THAT LIFE HE CONSIDERS WORTHY OF SACRIFICING THE LIFE OF HIS SON IN GIVING EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.
The human body "is fearfully and wonderfully made". Ps.139:14 And that of many of the elements in the "periodic table of elements".

AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! HECK YEAHHH, CAPS LOCK!!!! MY POINT IS SOOOO MUCH MORE VALID NOW... YEAHHH!!!!!

Point proven.

 

[outhouse]

Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.

Wouldn't you want to even try and prove these truths?


With no sources, it looks like just faith alone to prove everything life has to offer.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.

Wouldn't you want to even try and prove these truths?

With no sources, it looks like just faith alone to prove everything life has to offer.

I believe the Creator GOD did the things ascribed to HIM as accomplished in those scriptures. It is you who doubt HIS ability.
I see trees/vegetation and hear the birds chirping. I have no doubts that the GOD I believe and serve is able to perform all that is recorded in those pages.
I have seen that the earth, sun, moon, stars, are all suspended in the sky. They attest to me that the Scriptures are true and some of mankind are bearers of false claims.

My "faith" is secure with the GOD who made all things---NOT with the opinions of men who doubt that GOD exists and claim to have proven GOD a liar by their unsubstantiated "theories".

 

[gnostic]

Yeah well...you're not chiseled out of stone....carved out of wood....
and you are not a clay image....

though some may what to push the notion.

No, I am not made out of stone or wood or clay.

I was certainly didn't pop out of ground. That's my point. We are conceived through sexual intercourse, where a man's sperm fertilized a woman's egg. That's how life began...and I am not referring to first life.

Believing in that we are made out of dust, is no better believing in a stork bringing baby to married couple.

Still...your substance is of this earth...and back you will go.

That's simplistic notion, just because we are buried, doesn't mean the Earth itself gave birth to babies. People are still not made out of dust.

And the origin of man was never my point when I first replied (post 736) to your post about "man is made out of dust" (post 729).

 

[outhouse]

I believe ".

Exactly, we know that.


That is not truth, that is only belief.



Do you have any credible sources to back it? is the only question left.

 

[gnostic]

You are still wanting to separate the Creator GOD from ALL THAT HE MADE AND IS STILL ENVOLVED IN THAT LIFE HE CONSIDERS WORTHY OF SACRIFICING THE LIFE OF HIS SON IN GIVING EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.

Fricking hell.

You can't read, can you?

What part of reproduction and natural birth that you don't understand?

All I was saying to thief is that people are not made out of dust. We did not pop out of the Earth. Each one of us were born, coming out of the mother's womb.

I wasn't talking about evolution or abiogenesis, and I certainly wasn't talking about the 1st man. How on bl@@dy earth did you read my post...and thinking, oh, evolution.

Read my post again, below:

No :no:
Man come mother and father....from egg and sperm.

Dust is by-product waste, worn through age.

Human is mostly made out of water.

You should crack open a biology textbook, especially on human anatomy (on reproduction).

The 1st man being made out of earth, from dust, soil or clay is a common mythological theme, that have no bearing in scientific reality. Genesis 2 is not science at all. And Genesis 1 doesn't say anything about humans being made out if the earth; it only just say man and woman was created in his image. Genesis 1 & 2 provide 2 different myths.

Do you see anywhere, where I had mentioned evolution, natural selection, biodiversity, survival of the fittest, mutation, etc?????

The only time I mentioned the 1st man, is what Genesis (the bible) say, not what science about the 1st man. And I don't have to argue for evolution, in order to disagree that God created man out of dust, that scientifically impossible, but it is possible mythologically.

The only mention I had made is reproduction (sperm and egg) and birth. No evolution and no abiogenesis.

Tell me, sincerly, did you spring out of soil? Or did your mother give birth to you? Did you come from egg/sperm or did you come from dust?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
You are still wanting to separate the Creator GOD from ALL THAT HE MADE AND IS STILL ENVOLVED IN THAT LIFE HE CONSIDERS WORTHY OF SACRIFICING THE LIFE OF HIS SON IN GIVING EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.
Originally Posted by sincerly
You are still wanting to separate the Creator GOD from ALL THAT HE MADE AND IS STILL ENVOLVED IN THAT LIFE HE CONSIDERS WORTHY OF SACRIFICING THE LIFE OF HIS SON IN GIVING EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.
Originally Posted by sincerly
You are still wanting to separate the Creator GOD from ALL THAT HE MADE AND IS STILL ENVOLVED IN THAT LIFE HE CONSIDERS WORTHY OF SACRIFICING THE LIFE OF HIS SON IN GIVING EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Some will never accept the Truths of the Scriptures.

Fricking hell.

You can't read, can you?

What part of reproduction and natural birth that you don't understand?

All I was saying to thief is that people are not made out of dust. We did not pop out of the Earth. Each one of us were born, coming out of the mother's womb.

I wasn't talking about evolution or abiogenesis, and I certainly wasn't talking about the 1st man. How on bl@@dy earth did you read my post...and thinking, oh, evolution.

Read my post again, below:
Originally Posted by gnostic, post 736
No :no:
Man come mother and father....from egg and sperm.

Dust is by-product waste, worn through age.

Human is mostly made out of water.

You should crack open a biology textbook, especially on human anatomy (on reproduction).

The 1st man being made out of earth, from dust, soil or clay is a common mythological theme, that have no bearing in scientific reality. Genesis 2 is not science at all. And Genesis 1 doesn't say anything about humans being made out if the earth; it only just say man and woman was created in his image. Genesis 1 & 2 provide 2 different myths.

Yes, I read very well. And understand that which read---therefore, my statement at the top of this post.

Then you say, "mostly made out of water"---Gnostic the chemical composition of water are the elements of Hydrogen and oxygen---and when the body is completely analysed one finds the body has many "dust"/"elemental components". Human beings are made from the "dust"/"elements of the earth.
Yes, our Creator GOD did design the reproduction of humans to be from components from the male and female(sperm and Ova).
All living matter was created/made from the same elements found in the "dust of the ground" and reproduce after its kind.

Do you see anywhere, where I had mentioned evolution, natural selection, biodiversity, survival of the fittest, mutation, etc?????

[color=redThe only time I mentioned the 1st man, is what Genesis (the bible) say, not what science about the 1st man. And I don't have to argue for evolution, in order to disagree that God created man out of dust, that scientifically impossible, but it is possible mythologically.[/color]

The only mention I had made is reproduction (sperm and egg) and birth. No evolution and no abiogenesis.

Tell me, sincerly, did you spring out of soil? Or did your mother give birth to you? Did you come from egg/sperm or did you come from dust?

Gnostic, Do you know of another belief concerning the origin of all that one sees besides beliefs of Creationism and the beliefs in evolutionism? And you did label above "mythologically/myths", "scientifically impossible".

 

[outhouse]

and when the body is completely analysed one finds the body has many "dust"/"elemental components". Human beings are made from the "dust"/"elements of the earth.

So we really see that?

First spell analysed correctly please.

We don't have any dust in our composition. WE have natural elements, but not dust.

Next our bodies have 60% body water, not body dust :slap:



All of the element you see and your that your body is made of, came from the death of a star. Every atom in existence has come from a star that has exploded. This is not up for debate.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
and when the body is completely analysed one finds the body has many "dust"/"elemental components". Human beings are made from the "dust"/"elements of the earth.

So we really see that?

First spell analyzed correctly please.

That is what those "scientist" tell us who have done the work. Are you saying they lie?
I see you had no problem knowing what my mis-spelled word meant and the message it contained.

We don't have any dust in our composition. WE have natural elements, but not dust.

Next our bodies have 60% body water, not body dust :slap:

Gold in small particles is called "dust"---and the body has a trace of many "elements". But even the 'sea water' you spoke of is a union of Sodium and chlorine.

Should one break "water" into its elemental state, one would have two gases. The dictionary gives a different meaning than you are implying to "dust" of the elements.

All of the element you see and your that your body is made of, came from the death of a star. Every atom in existence has come from a star that has exploded. This is not up for debate.

"not up for debate" doesn't provide a 'source' for the statement; and one would need to provide from whence that "star" obtained the material it was composed of.