Genesis 2

[gnostic]

Gnostic, Do you know of another belief concerning the origin of all that one sees besides beliefs of Creationism and the beliefs in evolutionism? And you did label above "mythologically/myths", "scientifically impossible".

Are you utterly unable to read, sincerly?

In post 376, which is my reply to Thief, not once I had used any evolution terminology, and I didn't attempt to refute Thief using evolution or natural selection, BECAUSE I DON'T BL@@DY NEED TO.

When I said "sperm" and "egg", I was saying anything about the origin of the first man.

I just used basic biology - human anatomy and physiology - more precisely - HUMAN REPRODUCTION. You and I were conceived egg being fertilized by a sperm. A sperm is not dust, nor is the egg. When we were born, we did not pop out of the ground, but from the mother's womb.

Man and woman have sex, woman conceive, she would carry the fetus for so many month, and she will give birth. This is not evolution, it is biology.

Heck, it is not just science, it is the fact of life.

I don't need to use the evolution-argument to refute Thief's everything is made out of dust.

Dust can be either organic or inorganic, but even from organic dust, dusts are lifeless, and dusts can't make life.

Yes, I read very well. And understand that which read---therefore, my statement at the top of this post.

Then you say, "mostly made out of water"---Gnostic the chemical composition of water are the elements of Hydrogen and oxygen---and when the body is completely analysed one finds the body has many "dust"/"elemental components". Human beings are made from the "dust"/"elements of the earth.
Yes, our Creator GOD did design the reproduction of humans to be from components from the male and female(sperm and Ova).
All living matter was created/made from the same elements found in the "dust of the ground" and reproduce after its kind.

That's example of utter ignorance, and the worse form of pseudoscience.

If you bother to even read a book on human physiology and anatomy, you will find that the largest mass in the average, healthy (so barring any disease) adult human being is water. Water can be found every part of the body, tissues, in organs, blood and even in bones. Without water in the bones (particularly in the marrows), the bones become dry, brittle and breakable.

Like outhouse so rightly said, an adult human have about 60% water content in the body. That mean 60% of the body mass is water. But the water content in the body depends on age and health of each individual person.

A newborn baby has as much as 70% to 75% water in his or her body.

I would suggest you either pick up human physiology textbook or on the Internet, and search for "body water".

As to the dusts on the human body. Yes, humans produce dusts, but that doesn't mean humans are made out of dust. The dusts they produces are waste or by-product. Tissues, like skin (and hair too) constantly shed itself of dead skin, that become dust. But these are dead cells.

You are only making yourself look more foolish, the more you don't properly read my reply, especially when you refused to read a book on human anatomy or human physiology.

I don't need to look or argue for evolution, to prove my point.

And dusts are not the elements of the earth. If you say such ignorant thing at the science conference, the earth scientists and geologists would laugh you off the stage.

Go back to school, take a course on biology, because clearly you need the education.

 

[Thief]

No, I am not made out of stone or wood or clay.

I was certainly didn't pop out of ground. That's my point. We are conceived through sexual intercourse, where a man's sperm fertilized a woman's egg. That's how life began...and I am not referring to first life.

Believing in that we are made out of dust, is no better believing in a stork bringing baby to married couple.



That's simplistic notion, just because we are buried, doesn't mean the Earth itself gave birth to babies. People are still not made out of dust.

And the origin of man was never my point when I first replied (post 736) to your post about "man is made out of dust" (post 729).

Obviously you didn't get it.
You did have a point of origin.....personally...
But all that you are DID come up from the earth.....personally....

Just sit and think about it.

Your substance....all of it....is made of the stuff you are walking on.
And you need to be in touch with it.
The nutrients that you consume came from the ground...as you did.
Back you will go.

Evolution is real enough.
Adam and Eve are real enough( someone had to be first in spirit, not just flesh).

The form you keep leaning to is born of flesh.
Flesh to Flesh.

And you ARE of dust.
Dust to dust.

 

[outhouse]

Obviously you didn't get it.

:sarcastic

Im pretty sure someone didn't get it.

Him, he has it, and never lost it.

You did have a point of origin.....personally...
But all that you are DID come up from the earth.....personally....

Just sit and think about it.

The earth is covered in sea water

We evolved from the sea.


Just sit and think about it.

Evolution is real enough.

fact actually.

Adam and Eve are real enough( someone had to be first in spirit, not just flesh).

Isn't that 100% unsubstantiated with no credible references what so ever?



First in spirit is your own invention. And you have been repeatedly asked for sources backing your faith.

Where are they? where are your sources?

 

[sincerly]

Are you utterly unable to read, sincerly?

In post 376, which is my reply to Thief, not once I had used any evolution terminology, and I didn't attempt to refute Thief using evolution or natural selection, BECAUSE I DON'T BL@@DY NEED TO.

When I said "sperm" and "egg", I was saying anything about the origin of the first man.

I just used basic biology - human anatomy and physiology - more precisely - HUMAN REPRODUCTION.

Gnostic, the building blocks for all the body parts is the chemical reactions and that is the combination of the proper atoms of the elements---the infrastructure.
And it Was GOD who "fearfully and wonderfully made All things" whether of vegetable, mineral, or animal origin.

Originally Posted by sincerly
Yes, I read very well. And understand that which read---therefore, my statement at the top of this post.

Then you say, "mostly made out of water"---Gnostic the chemical composition of water are the elements of Hydrogen and oxygen---and when the body is completely analysed one finds the body has many "dust"/"elemental components". Human beings are made from the "dust"/"elements of the earth.
Yes, our Creator GOD did design the reproduction of humans to be from components from the male and female(sperm and Ova).
All living matter was created/made from the same elements found in the "dust of the ground" and reproduce after its kind.

That's example of utter ignorance, and the worse form of pseudoscience.
If you bother to even read a book on human physiology and anatomy, you will find that the largest mass in the average, healthy (so barring any disease) adult human being is water. Water can be found every part of the body, tissues, in organs, blood and even in bones. Without water in the bones (particularly in the marrows), the bones become dry, brittle and breakable.

However, before there is a body/anatomy or the ability to cause the "anatomy to function"/physiology there was some infrastructure which were produced by the building blocks/elements/atoms. which you are ignoring.

I would suggest you either pick up human physiology textbook or on the Internet, and search for "body water".

It seems you need chemistry 101. I am aware of the "biology subject."(Plant and animal)
Water is still composed of the two gases.

Go back to school, take a course on biology, because clearly you need the education.

I see you are projecting again.

 

[Thief]

:sarcastic
Where are they? where are your sources?

Common sense.

Obviously .....you don't get it either.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Common sense.

Obviously .....you don't get it either.

Actually the organic materials we are made up of our found in higher content in the air. So we are actually made out of air particles not dust particles.

 

[Thief]

Actually the organic materials we are made up of our found in higher content in the air. So we are actually made out of air particles not dust particles.

Particles in the air....gas, vapor, fumes......

dust it is......

An attempt at denial?......a bit light......

And the few pounds of solid are going where?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Particles in the air....gas, vapor, fumes......

dust it is......

An attempt at denial?......a bit light......

And the few pounds of solid are going where?

Not really. Particles such as carbon, oxygen and nitrogen. Organic compounds are very different than the inorganic compounds which the earth is made of.

 

[Thief]

Not really. Particles such as carbon, oxygen and nitrogen. Organic compounds are very different than the inorganic compounds which the earth is made of.

Such as the various forms of iron?
Like the one you can consume ONLY if drawn from the earth by green plant life?

Can't live without it.
You still need the earth beneath your feet....
and then back to the earth you go.

You ARE dust.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Such as the various forms of iron?
Like the one you can consume ONLY if drawn from the earth by green plant life?

Can't live without it.
You still need the earth beneath your feet....
and then back to the earth you go.

You ARE dust.

Except iron is not found in dust. It you took up a Sample of the dust of the earth and then a sample of the human body you'd find the compositions to be vastly different.

So no we are not dust.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Gnostic, Do you know of another belief concerning the origin of all that one sees besides beliefs of Creationism and the beliefs in evolutionism? And you did label above "mythologically/myths", "scientifically impossible".

Are you utterly unable to read, sincerly?

Dust can be either organic or inorganic, but even from organic dust, dusts are lifeless, and dusts can't make life.

Thanks, gnostic. I see that you have seen the light and agree that mankind can not produce "life" and neither can Life be spontaneously produced from nothing---not even any source of "dust'. And one would have to prove the source for such "dust".
The Creator GOD "Spake and it was so".

 

[outhouse]

The Creator GOD "Spake and it was so".

".

provide sources, for your statement.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

provide sources, for your statement.

Why do you keep asking for sources?? Sincerely is quoting from the bible...and has continuously said that he does not trust the "intelligence of men" so...you're not making any headway in these arguments....

 

[outhouse]

Why do you keep asking for sources?? Sincerely is quoting from the bible...and has continuously said that he does not trust the "intelligence of men" so...you're not making any headway in these arguments....

Reitrating the point he only brings "faith" to the table and nothing at all more.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Thief
Such as the various forms of iron?
Like the one you can consume ONLY if drawn from the earth by green plant life?

Can't live without it.
You still need the earth beneath your feet....
and then back to the earth you go.

You ARE dust.

Except iron is not found in dust. It you took up a Sample of the dust of the earth and then a sample of the human body you'd find the compositions to be vastly different.

So no we are not dust.

Hi FM, The Scriptures gave the original diet of mankind and the animals. Gen. 1:29-30. All the nutrients for man came from the vegetation which GOD had created.
Top Iron-Rich Foods List Confirms that which Thief wrote and GOD said.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Originally Posted by Thief
Such as the various forms of iron?
Like the one you can consume ONLY if drawn from the earth by green plant life?

Can't live without it.
You still need the earth beneath your feet....
and then back to the earth you go.

You ARE dust.



Hi FM, The Scriptures gave the original diet of mankind and the animals. Gen. 1:29-30. All the nutrients for man came from the vegetation which GOD had created.
Top Iron-Rich Foods List Confirms that which Thief wrote and GOD said.

And yet even all those plants are carbon and oxygen based our main components are not dust. I know that sucks to here but it's just what it is.

So when did Dinosaurs exist? I assume you believe that man lived with dinosaurs?

 

[gnostic]

Thanks, gnostic. I see that you have seen the light and agree that mankind can not produce "life" and neither can Life be spontaneously produced from nothing---not even any source of "dust'. And one would have to prove the source for such "dust".

That's not what I wrote.

What I meant that humans can produce dusts, not that dusts can produce humans, which is what you are saying. Which are not the same things.

Dusts that come from a living person is nothing more than waste, like shedded dead skin cells or like dandruffs from scalp. They are wastes like excrement and urine, organic but not alive.

Dusts can't make humans any more than excrement and urine can create humans.

Humans are only produced through two partners' sperm and egg, in which egg become fertilized during conception, resulting in pregnancy in woman, and eventually (and hopefully) childbirth. And I am only talking of reproduction here, not evolution, nor talking about the origin of first humans.

The whole everything-are-made-out-of-dusts nonsense advocated by you and thief isothing more than you both ignorantly misunderstanding what dusts are, scientifically.

 

[outhouse]

You ARE dust.



.

And yet Homo Sapiens have existed for some 197,000 thousand years, BEFORE Israelites were influenced by Meopotamian creation mythology, where their first man Adamu came from dirt.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Thanks, gnostic. I see that you have seen the light and agree that mankind can not produce "life" and neither can Life be spontaneously produced from nothing---not even any source of "dust'. And one would have to prove the source for such "dust".

That's not what I wrote. What I meant that humans can produce dusts, not that dusts can produce humans, which is what you are saying. Which are not the same things.

Dusts that come from a living person is nothing more than waste, like shedded dead skin cells or like dandruffs from scalp. They are wastes like excrement and urine, organic but not alive.

Gnostic, it was those "scientist" who elucidated the "digestive cycle" How the body assimilates the nutrients to insure the survival of that united "sperm and egg" to develop into a mature Being able to eliminate the dead skin cells and "dandruff"---as well as the excess by-products from the en-gestation and digesting of that vegetation which went into the repair and replacement of the older "worn-out cellular life".

Dusts can't make humans any more than excrement and urine can create humans.

Humans are only produced through two partners' sperm and egg, in which egg become fertilized during conception, resulting in pregnancy in woman, and eventually (and hopefully) childbirth. And I am only talking of reproduction here, not evolution, nor talking about the origin of first humans.

The whole everything-are-made-out-of-dusts nonsense advocated by you and thief isothing more than you both ignorantly misunderstanding what dusts are, scientifically.

Yes, the human and animal excrement still is in use in many nations to enrich the soil with those necessary elemental "dust" particles necessary for the growth of the Plants first and then by animals.

And you are the one who wants us to believe your understanding/meanings of "words"??? And what is "scientific" and what is an analogy???

 

[gnostic]

Gnostic, it was those "scientist" who elucidated the "digestive cycle" How the body assimilates the nutrients to insure the survival of that united "sperm and egg" to develop into a mature Being able to eliminate the dead skin cells and "dandruff"---as well as the excess by-products from the en-gestation and digesting of that vegetation which went into the repair and replacement of the older "worn-out cellular life".

Yes, the human and animal excrement still is in use in many nations to enrich the soil with those necessary elemental "dust" particles necessary for the growth of the Plants first and then by animals.

And you are the one who wants us to believe your understanding/meanings of "words"??? And what is "scientific" and what is an analogy???

This is like you saying people eats bacons, so people are pigs, not humans. Or you eating banana, then you must be banana.

People are not made of dust. And people don't sprout out of ground.

The whole Genesis Adam made from dust, has clearly addled your reasoning.

Atoms are not dusts, sincerly, because if you think that, then you still need to crack open a textbook on chemistry.

This direction of reasoning has indeed gone banana fritter!