sincerly
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That is "like your purple ducky"---a figment of your imagination---and acknowledged so by you.
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Genesis 2
- Thread starter dgirl1986
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That is "like your purple ducky"---a figment of your imagination---and acknowledged so by you.
outhouse
Atheistically
Has nothing to do with your personal interpretation.
Rejection of your interpretation is not rejecting scripture.
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
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Triumphant_Loser
Libertarian Egalitarian
That is like your "Jewish space wizard"--- a figment of your imagination--- and acknowledged so by you.... fixed it!
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Hi metis, I'm sure you have a list of things which you believe to be foolishness. But here is the thing, IF your list is based upon false assumptions by you, then you basically are believing in the foolishness. It all boils down to the TRUTH. If what you believe is false, then that is foolishness, but if what you believe is Truth, then that is honorable. KB
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Hi outhouse, first off, you need to understand that the earth that we live on was RENEWED from a prior destruction, and this accounts for the millions and billions of years that your scientist's claim the world has existed. You need to get that concept through your system of thinking.
Secondly, the Israelites existed at least 1400 years before Yeshua's time because of what the New Moon teaches, so you are wrong to make the claim they did not exist before 1200 BC.
I think you need to bring in your experts. KB
outhouse
Atheistically
If your talking about the flood mythology the Israelites are claimed to have been influenced by Mesopotamian mythology, as renewing anything. Bring credible evidence.
As far as Isarelites existing before 1200 BC, that is undisputed by anyone with credibility.
You surely cannot prove your stance or refute my position at all.
Isarelites Canaanite herritage, really is not even up for debate.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Bringing an extreme imagining into a reasoning discussion is absurd....
uncalled for......and invalid.
Reason toward God is quite....reasonable.
Something caused the universe.
That would be God.
Unless you are prepared with credible scientific evidence.....
contrary to current scientific fact....
that anything can move...WITHOUT...'something' to set it into motion.
Please consider science first.
You may use your imagination to solve your problem.
Please be logical.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
That is "like your purple ducky"---a figment of your imagination---and acknowledged so by you.
The written Scriptural account is what you are "rejecting" for the non-factual beliefs and signatures of all that list you presented.
Until you submit reproducible evidence that mankind has actually created "LIFE" using none of this world's elements you have presented only assumptions/that figment of your imagination which produced your "blue ducky".
That "belief/agreement" is contrary to the Scriptural account and is the product of self-deluded persons by unproven "Theories proposed" for what they can not prove in the lab.
That is "like your purple ducky"---a figment of your imagination---and acknowledged so by you.
The written Scriptural account is what you are "rejecting" for the non-factual beliefs and signatures of all that list you presented.
Until you submit reproducible evidence that mankind has actually created "LIFE" using none of this world's elements you have presented only assumptions/that figment of your imagination which produced your "blue ducky".
That "belief/agreement" is contrary to the Scriptural account and is the product of self-deluded persons by unproven "Theories proposed" for what they can not prove in the lab.
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outhouse
Atheistically
Originally Posted by sincerly
That is "like your purple ducky"---a figment of your imagination---and acknowledged so by you.
The written Scriptural account is what you are "rejecting" for the non-factual beliefs and signatures of all that list you presented.
Until you submit reproducible evidence that mankind has actually created "LIFE" using none of this world's elements you have presented only assumptions/that figment of your imagination which produced your "blue ducky".
That "belief/agreement" is contrary to the Scriptural account and is the product of self-deluded persons by unproven "Theories proposed" for what they can not prove in the lab.
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth its geology and its environments has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
outhouse
Atheistically
I dont think you can show a difference between mine and yours as far as credibility goes.
You cannot prove yours in any aspect, I can prove mine for what it is though.
Allegory and mythology.
That is only your unproven opinion
You dont know that.
It is proven by observed facts that the biblical account did not happen as decribed.
So I dont think you have anything but faith.
What caused god?
It sure looks like Israelites combined two deities that existed prior to Israelites existance.
It looks like, Man created god.
So it looks like we dont know the answer to your question. But we can make a great hypothesis of what did not create it. MYTHOLOGY.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Thief
Rogue Theologian
This isn't a history lesson btw.
Put down your history book.
Pick up this theological discussion AS theological.
Triumphant_Loser
Libertarian Egalitarian
Is it honestly any more absurd than to believe that a magical Jewish sky wizard lives in in a magical golden space-palace, and telepathically communicates with people?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
outhouse
Atheistically
You should recognize metaphor when you see one.
I think if people don't realize metaphor and allegory, they ruin Genesis by trying to drag history from theology.
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
If your talking about the flood mythology the Israelites are claimed to have been influenced by Mesopotamian mythology, as renewing anything. Bring credible evidence.
As far as Isarelites existing before 1200 BC, that is undisputed by anyone with credibility.
You surely cannot prove your stance or refute my position at all.
Isarelites Canaanite herritage, really is not even up for debate.
Hi outhouse, no, I am not talking about the flood, and that destruction, I am speaking about the destruction which occurred with the rebellion of those angels which followed Satan. After that destruction, which left the earth "without form, and void," THEN Elohim sent forth His Spirit, so that the face of the earth was renewed, and this renewing happened at the beginning of Genesis. This renewal of earth's face allows for the earth to be even millions or billions of years old, being confirmed with all of your scientific evidence. So your argument of an "old" earth, does not work against what I believe.
Concerning the timeline of the Exodus, are you speaking of William Albright as your "credible" expert who claimed the Exodus occurred between 1250-1200 BCE? His theory has been debunked by most credible archeologists. Now, here is how I determine the date of the Exodus.
We are told in Exodus 12 that the Exodus occurred during the 1st Moon/month, or at the "beginning" of moons/months:
Ex 12:1-2 1 And Yahweh spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 This month [shall be] unto you the beginning of months (moons): it [shall be] the first month of the year to you.
Now why is this significant? Think along the lines of what Paul said:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The Moon was made by Elohim as a lesser light, a light that would rule the darkness. The Moon has no light of it's own, it can only reflect the light of the sun. During the Exodus, a body or sphere of people, gathered together as a small sliver of mankind, for the beginning of reflecting the light of Elohim, His Torah. You can compare THIS beginning of moons to a young girls first menstrual cycle, The Menarche. As the children of Israel developed in their reflecting of Yahweh's Light, His Torah, this cycle of the Moon/month became FULL, at the midway point of the Moon. How many days are in the cycle of a woman's menstrual period and they cycle of the Moon? Isn't it approximately 29 days on average? Now outhouse, here is where you need a little insight, each day of this cycle represents 100 years, and the FULL Moon occurred when Yeshua was manifested upon this earth, and was planted as the seed into the womb of the earth, as the earth was very fertile in the menstrual cycle (half way through the month/Moon). This impregnation by Elohim came at the appointed time, as the Moon (His People) were FULL.
So, we can count BACKWARDS from Yeshua's day approximately 14-1/2 days and arrive at the year 1375-1350 BCE for the Menarche/Beginning of Moons at the Exodus. Isn't that much easier than trying to dig up pottery? KB
outhouse
Atheistically
There was no global flood. There is no evidence for it at all, There was no biblical renewing of the earth.
There are no breaks in any major civilization that existed during this time period. That means there are facts that back civilizations existing when you say they were wiped out.
Yes it does.
You have no evidence at all to support your position.
NO.
ALL credible scholars claim there was NO exodus what so ever.
The Exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No archeological evidence has been found to support the Book of Exodus[4] and most archaeologists have abandoned the investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[5]
Most histories of ancient Israel no longer consider information about the Exodus recoverable or even relevant to the story of Israel's emergence
Israel is said to factually have formed from displaced Canaanites after 1200 BC. They were proto Israelites at this time.
They did not even begin to have their own identity until 1000 BC
Israel Finkelstein.
History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Israelite monotheism evolved gradually out of pre-existing beliefs and practices of the ancient world.[76] The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[77] and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[78] Its major deities were not numerous El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period.[79] By the time of the early Hebrew kings, El and Yahweh had become fused and Asherah did not continue as a separate state cult,[79]
This above is not even in dispute at all, by anyone credible
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Hi outhouse, you really don't take much time in reading what other people write do you? KB
outhouse
Atheistically
Enough to know that your only providing a faith based opinion with no evidence.
Which is not how one determines history.
I understand the theology and mythology quite well, but thank you.