Genesis 2

[outhouse]

The verdict is a future event....

Living in the past?

Do you have anything credible at all, to explain your faith?

 

[Thief]

Do you have anything credible at all, to explain your faith?

SCIENCE!.....as in Cause and effect.

God as Creator.....the creation is His handiwork.

 

[outhouse]

SCIENCE!.....as in Cause and effect.

God as Creator.....the creation is His handiwork.

Who created him?


Oh we know! the Israelites redefined him from the Canaanite pantheon the concepts plural, evolved from.

Your definitely right about cause and effect.

 

[Thief]

Who created him?


Oh we know! the Israelites redefined him from the Canaanite pantheon the concepts plural, evolved from.

Your definitely right about cause and effect.

And you're definitely wrong about it.

 

[outhouse]

And you're definitely wrong about it.

And of course you love to repeat this.


But can NEVER back a word of your own with a credible source.


No historian argues with me about this, gee wiz.

 

[Thief]

But can NEVER back a word of your own with a credible source.


No historian argues with me about this, gee wiz.

And you love to repeat this.....and that's why no historian wants to talk to you.

 

[gnostic]

And you love to repeat this.....and that's why no historian wants to talk to you.

If you are going to argue for any biblical narrative/story as being "historical", then you should know and expect to know that any credible historian must have credible sources. Without credible sources then you can expect and shouldn't be surprised that other may take your claim with certain skeptical or think that you are making things up.

Likewise, if you are going to make claim that the biblical narrative to be "scientific", then don't be surprised when they don't believe your claim when you can't supply a shred of evidence to support your claim. Science requires evidence, not your weak claim, like "spirit first, before substance", or your claim of "cause-and-effect".

It is quite transparent that you have no evidence to support that your god is the "cause" of everything. This "cause" being "god" or "creator" is not evidence, it's just more of your unsubstantiated belief, and your inability to understand what "scientific evidence" is.

Badgering around "cause-and-effect", post-after-post, without the evidence clearly show that you don't understand the importance of evidence in science.

 

[Thief]

If you are going to argue for any biblical narrative/story as being "historical", then you should know and expect to know that any credible historian must have credible sources. Without credible sources then you can expect and shouldn't be surprised that other may take your claim with certain skeptical or think that you are making things up.

Likewise, if you are going to make claim that the biblical narrative to be "scientific", then don't be surprised when they don't believe your claim when you can't supply a shred of evidence to support your claim. Science requires evidence, not your weak claim, like "spirit first, before substance", or your claim of "cause-and-effect".

It is quite transparent that you have no evidence to support that your god is the "cause" of everything. This "cause" being "god" or "creator" is not evidence, it's just more of your unsubstantiated belief, and your inability to understand what "scientific evidence" is.

Badgering around "cause-and-effect", post-after-post, without the evidence clearly show that you don't understand the importance of evidence in science.

Yeah well.....I believe the event of Genesis happened.
I don't need history to support it.

Man diverged from the rest of the life on this planet a long time ago.
Try watching a few science documentaries.

There are plenty of highly educated people putting forth good reason to think about a Higher Life mixing with ours.

Now.....if you prefer ET...go for it.

But other scientists are now speculating ET might only be spirit.
(star trek ships are losing likelihood....not really a get there kind of form)

Don't like the idea of Something Greater than yourself?

Don't worry.
If you dismiss the notion for yourself.....He might later agree with you....
and leave you wherever you fell.

Genesis isn't 'history'.....it just happened.

oh...there are some scientist that want to say....the singularity 'just happened'.

Does that discount their viewpoint?

 

[outhouse]

And you love to repeat this.....and that's why no historian wants to talk to you.

Im actively listening to scholars, authors and professors.

And I happen to talk to a few different historians.


You? nothing but faith based words.


Opinion and nothing more, all the while ignoring credible history.

 

[outhouse]

Yeah well.....I believe the event of Genesis happened.
I don't need history to support it.

Which makes it nothing but faith based opinion.

You provide nothing to substantiate your position, which means your not bringing any aspect of real history from mythology. As to where historians are looking for a possible core.

There are plenty of highly educated people putting forth good reason to think about a Higher Life mixing with ours.

Not a one has credibility.

But other scientists are now speculating ET might only be spirit.
(star trek ships are losing likelihood....not really a get there kind of form)

Not a one has any credibility what so ever.

Don't like the idea of Something Greater than yourself?

Sounds just like mythology.

Genesis isn't 'history'.....it just happened.

Yet you cannot prove anything. Nor can you bring it out of mythology.

oh...there are some scientist that want to say....the singularity 'just happened'.

Does that discount their viewpoint?

No.

we know the universe started with a smaller state then exist today.

 

[Thief]

Which makes it nothing but faith based opinion.

You provide nothing to substantiate your position, which means your not bringing any aspect of real history from mythology. As to where historians are looking for a possible core.




Not a one has credibility.







Not a one has any credibility what so ever.




Sounds just like mythology.






Yet you cannot prove anything. Nor can you bring it out of mythology.




No.

we know the universe started with a smaller state then exist today.

So you have a 'little bit of faith'.....in science?

 

[gnostic]

Man diverged from the rest of the life on this planet a long time ago.
Try watching a few science documentaries.

Is that the extent of knowledges on science? Watch what some people called these "science documentaries"?

Please....

You want to learn science, try reading a few textbooks or credible science journals, not these "documentaries". Few (of these shows) are worth my time.

Is that really your experiences in science? TV shows?

It's no wonder that your "science" is utterly skew, and can't tell what's real science, and what's pseudoscience.

If you visit some of the threads in the science & religion, or evolution vs creationism forums, you should know that I don't put much stocks on these tv programs of being factual, unless they put real efforts in actual researches, and actual credible sources. Sources which tends to ignored.

Now.....if you prefer ET...go for it.

But other scientists are now speculating ET might only be spirit.
(star trek ships are losing likelihood....not really a get there kind of form)

Don't like the idea of Something Greater than yourself?

And Star Trek is sci-fi, as in science FICTION, not actual science.

You should distinguish fiction from science.

Which of these scientists claim that there are spirits? Do you care to provide sources or identities of these so-called "scientists"?

If these scientists are indeed scientists, then they should have evidences for these nonexistent "spirits" of yours.

Yeah, right...documentaries. :sarcastic

 

[outhouse]

So you have a 'little bit of faith'.....in science?

:slap:


I actually study, and dont claim to know more then the professors I learn from.

Unlike you who wants to rewrite all of known science from personal faith, not backed by anyone at all but you.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

So you have a 'little bit of faith'.....in science?

Science is actually trying to come to a conclusion based on facts. (via. the scientific method) Faith is not not knowing the answer, and filling in the blanks with superstition and passing it off as "truth."

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Thief
So you have a 'little bit of faith'.....in science?

Science is actually trying to come to a conclusion based on facts. (via. the scientific method) Faith is not not knowing the answer, and filling in the blanks with superstition and passing it off as "truth."

However, trying to "flesh out"/make fact the creation of something from nothing and then producing "life" from that "nothing", has NOT occurred and, therefore, is NOT Fact.----But, is "faith in science".

That "filling in the blanks" is well documented in the claimed estimate of the earth---4+ billions of years. and that all Life-forms came from one initial organism. Yes, that is passing off superstition(man's opinions) as "truth".

 

[outhouse]

However, trying to "flesh out"/make fact the creation of something from nothing and then producing "life" from that "nothing", has NOT occurred and, therefore, is NOT Fact.----But, is "faith in science".

You cannot claim that as fact, as you have not provided anything credible to substantiate your statement.

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts

about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly However, trying to "flesh out"/make fact the creation of something from nothing and then producing "life" from that "nothing", has NOT occurred and, therefore, is NOT Fact.----But, is "faith in science".

You cannot claim that as fact, as you have not provided anything credible to substantiate your statement.

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts

about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

Hi outhouse, Where is that "living matter" which was produced from the absence of matter ??
Photosynthesis doesn't explain anything concerning the life process. The production of Oxygen by that process only adds to equation of misunderstandings of the "faith in science". It adds another---where did the CO2 come from for the liberation of the oxygen by that process.
"Life"didn't come about by happenstance. Mankind(scientist) still has not produced LIFE. They have only given theories which are assumed and not proven to be "facts"
That is what is "agreed upon".

 

[Thief]

I've been watching a science documentary about Darwin.

Did I get that right?.....Darwin seemed to think that God set it all inn motion and then stood back?

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly However, trying to "flesh out"/make fact the creation of something from nothing and then producing "life" from that "nothing", has NOT occurred and, therefore, is NOT Fact.----But, is "faith in science".



Hi outhouse, Where is that "living matter" which was produced from the absence of matter ??
Photosynthesis doesn't explain anything concerning the life process. The production of Oxygen by that process only adds to equation of misunderstandings of the "faith in science". It adds another---where did the CO2 come from for the liberation of the oxygen by that process.
"Life"didn't come about by happenstance. Mankind(scientist) still has not produced LIFE. They have only given theories which are assumed and not proven to be "facts"
That is what is "agreed upon".

Im not sure you understand what evidence based FACTS are.

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts

about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I've been watching a science documentary about Darwin.

Did I get that right?.....Darwin seemed to think that God set it all inn motion and then stood back?

Yep... That's called "Deism." The belief that a deity brought forth the cosmos, set the laws of science/ nature into place, and abandoned the universe, without sending any "Prophets" ,"Messiahs" , "Popes", "Priests", "Rabbis" , "Imams" or "Holy Books." The so called "word of God" is the universe itself, and nothing more.