dad
Undefeated
Try looking up the Hebrew, rather than modern definitions.
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Genesis Account of Creation: Firmament
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ecco
Veteran Member
AKA a fundamentalist. If not by association, certainly by your writing.
dad
Undefeated
Focus. I was explaining that when looking at Gensisis one needs to consider the language it was written in, rather than modern languages.
dad
Undefeated
Well, if I was trying to figure out a meaning of words in Hebrew I would look at the Hebrew definition. Not British, German or Roman!
cladking
Well-Known Member
This is a semantical argument again. Genesis was not originally written in Latin. Indeed, the roots of Genesis likely go back far beyond modern language itself. When or where ever it originated none of the English words used today were in use. If there had been an English word in use (and there wasn't) we can be sure that the meaning has evolved over the millenia.
sooda
Veteran Member
Everyone knows the Bible was written in Hebrew, Greek and less so in Aramaic.
cladking
Well-Known Member
The Dead Sea Scrolls were in Paleo-Hebrew. I would suggest there was another language even before this.
sooda
Veteran Member
There was eastern Hebrew, Western Hebrew and evolving Hebrew. They have learned a lot about the Hebrew language from the Ugaritic tablets at Rash Shamra.
cladking
Well-Known Member
You obviously know a lot more about this than I do.
dad
Undefeated
Genesis (also Hebrew) was long before Rome in case that is news to you!
sooda
Veteran Member
Genesis was written after the Babylonian exile.. as was Exodus.
Both were translated into Greek first.
Septuagint was a Greek version of the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament), including the Apocrypha, made for Greek-speaking Jews in Egypt in the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc and adopted by the early Christian Churches.
Hundreds of years later it was translated into Latin, probably in Muslim Spain.
Firma as in "Firmament" or like Terra Firma is still the source words for English.
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dad
Undefeated
You thought Moses lived after the exile!? Ha.
"The book of Genesis, and most of the entire Tanakh (Old Testament) was originally recorded in Hebrew. There are literally hundreds of translations of the Hebrew Bible in English. "
https://www.quora.com/In-what-langu...ailable-as-opposed-to-subjective-translations
And...so what? Looking at this text we see it is centuries older..
Scientists have finally read the oldest biblical text ever found
It is an expanse in Hebrew actually. Your modern word doesn't cut the mustard.
gnostic
The Lost One
dad.
Do you have a better article than this crap?
I am interested in the finding, but the Independent's article by Andrew Griffin is lacking in details.
It doesn't give precise date in the burnt scroll from Ein Gedi.
About 2000 years old, is precise, because the Septuagint is dated to about 280 BCE, the oldest Dead Sea Scrolls, is the Great Isaiah Scroll (GIS), found in first cave (Cave 1) discovered at Qumran caves. This GIS has been dated to 356 BCE.
And it doesn't give provide much details what parts of Leviticus. How much of Ein Gedi's Leviticus survived?
Is this Ein Gedi's scroll older than the Qumran's Isaiah scroll? How much older?
Unless you can find a better source than the Independent article, I cannot assess if it is indeed the oldest.
gnostic
The Lost One
Never mind, dad.
There is wiki article that provide the details that was lacking in the Independent's article you have cited.
Type "En-Gedi Scroll" at wikipedia.
It has been dated to either 3rd or 4th century CE.
So this En-Gedi Scroll ISN'T OLDER THAN the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Septuagint.
And it only contain a portion of one chapter from Leviticus. It isn't the whole bible. It isn't even whole book of Leviticus.
I am not knocking of its discovery and its importance, but the news article has headline "SCIENTISTS FINALLY READ THE OLDEST BIBLICAL TEXT EVER FOUND".
It isn't the oldest. The Independent journalist has distorted, exaggerated and sensationalized the age of the scroll.
This scroll is dated AFTER Jesus, not BEFORE Jesus, so it cannot possibly be the oldest.
dad, you really need to find a more reliable source, instead of the Independent.
There is wiki article that provide the details that was lacking in the Independent's article you have cited.
Type "En-Gedi Scroll" at wikipedia.
It has been dated to either 3rd or 4th century CE.
So this En-Gedi Scroll ISN'T OLDER THAN the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Septuagint.
And it only contain a portion of one chapter from Leviticus. It isn't the whole bible. It isn't even whole book of Leviticus.
I am not knocking of its discovery and its importance, but the news article has headline "SCIENTISTS FINALLY READ THE OLDEST BIBLICAL TEXT EVER FOUND".
It isn't the oldest. The Independent journalist has distorted, exaggerated and sensationalized the age of the scroll.
This scroll is dated AFTER Jesus, not BEFORE Jesus, so it cannot possibly be the oldest.
dad, you really need to find a more reliable source, instead of the Independent.
sooda
Veteran Member
Until one realizes that Moses didn't write the Septanugint they are operating under a handicap.
Sep·tu·a·gint
/ˈsepto͞oəˌjint/
noun
- .a Greek version of the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament), including the Apocrypha, made for Greek-speaking Jews in Egypt in the 3rd and 2nd centuries bc and adopted by the early Christian Churches.
sooda
Veteran Member
En-Gedi Scroll - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En-Gedi_Scroll
The En-Gedi Scroll is an ancient and fragile Hebrew parchment found in 1970 at Ein Gedi, Israel. It has been carbon-dated to the third or fourth century CE. It contains a portion of the biblical Book of Leviticus. It is significant as one of the oldest portions of the Bible in existence.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En-Gedi_Scroll
The En-Gedi Scroll is an ancient and fragile Hebrew parchment found in 1970 at Ein Gedi, Israel. It has been carbon-dated to the third or fourth century CE. It contains a portion of the biblical Book of Leviticus. It is significant as one of the oldest portions of the Bible in existence.