God And Homosexuality

[Mitty]

So one of the major sins of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexual sex. Please update your theology so you won't be a mouthpiece for the pro-homosexual crowd.

But there's nothing about homosexuality in the S&G stories in Gen 18 & 19.

If you believe otherwise, then where does Gen 18 or 19 say that Lot's sons-in-law wanted to have sex with the two blokes in Lot's house instead of with their future wives? And why didn't they have sex with Lot when he came outside and mocked them and tried to pimp their future wives, given they were outside with the women and children and men from the town?

You know it makes sense!!!

 

[Mitty]

It's more likely the devil got to them, rather than God making them that way.

Have you discussed your hypothesis with any homosexual clergymen, and why Jesus asked his followers to accept that some men do not marry because they are so born from their mothers' wombs (Matt 19:12)?

 

[Spartan]

So the devil can ticker around with genes now? How pray tell, does that happen?

Did you not know the devil can do miracles? - Rev. 13:13

 

[Spartan]

But there's nothing about homosexuality in the S&G stories in Gen 18 & 19.

If you believe otherwise, then where does Gen 18 or 19 say that Lot's sons-in-law wanted to have sex with the two blokes in Lot's house instead of with their future wives? And why didn't they have sex with Lot when he came outside and mocked them and tried to pimp their future wives, given they were outside with the women and children and men from the town?

You know it makes sense!!!

LOL.

"The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persuasive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies, but her argument is weakened by Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:"

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom." - Source: Responding to Pro Gay Theology

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did you not know the devil can do miracles? - Rev. 13:13

Color me unconvinced, and that verse isn't even about Satan. Revelation is just a symbolic polemic against Rome, anyway.

 

[Spartan]

I have no reason to believe otherwise, given he (Jesus) said nothing about homosexuality...

Once again, you spin a false narrative.

Jesus on Homosexuality: Jesus is God in the Bible. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

 

[Mitty]

LOL.

"The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persuasive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies, but her argument is weakened by Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:"

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom." - Source: Responding to Pro Gay Theology

Wrong. Have you ever actually read that story since Gen 18 or 19 doesn't say that. You're just making that up.

Where does Gen 19 say that Lot's sons-in-law wanted to rape or have sex with the two blokes in Lot's house instead of with their future wives who Lot tried to pimp and sexually assaulted after he mocked them?
And Gen 19 says that all the women and children as well as the men were outside Lot's house with Lot's sons-in-law when Lot mocked his sons-in-law and tried to pimp their future wives.

 

[Mitty]

Once again, you spin a false narrative.

Jesus on Homosexuality: Jesus is God in the Bible. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

Nonsense. Where does Jesus say that he was a god and that he was a contemporary of Moses?
And as you well know, biblical morality, including the ten commandments etc, is obviously just man-made anyway since it didn't apply to Abraham et al and their ancestors.

And the bible doesn't even mention anything about female homosexuality anyway.

If you believe otherwise, where does Leviticus 18 or 20 also say that it is disgusting for women to lie with womankind as with mankind, and where does Romans 1:26-27 say anything about female homosexuality or women with women "working that which is unseemly" as "likewise also the men"?
And where does Jesus explain why he loved one of his disciples instead of cleaving to a wife?

You know it makes sense

 

[rational experiences]

Have you never read the Bible?

Jude 7: "Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

What was the male/man who keeps claiming that we own all the powers of the Universe inside of our human body today? Who wants our bio life to give him information for atmospheric resourcing and claim his mind sane?

We live in an atmosphere that was once burning hot gases...historically you liar Satanist.

Then spatial cold 0 zero empty and by pressure, seeing our gas heavens x bread TH, factoring only takes up a portion of cold zero space....the rest is applied cosmological pressure.

We live in a gas burning atmosphere above our head...natural light cooled by water evaporation/cloud cooling status.

You think God the stone science...for stone is all you can manipulate to gain gases...claiming to self you can never contain the Holy Grail he says. Talking Jesus. Meaning trying to hold it.

Hence a Satanist today would claim so I can cause it then.

And then makes movies and depicts its relativity about shifting and trying to get a cup of Christ....which is actually secret Satanic alchemical science secrets, and next moment earthquakes....Carpenter tectonics and the mountain collapses?

How come liars.

All the stories in the bible discuss natural disaster activation and also the change to the Law of the mountain and today in science you want to lie about it again.

So if you change God the stone that was given form in EMPTY ZERO spatial womb zero....then we get burnt....for the mountain stone fusion LAW that you broke was to copy fusion/fission by pyramid / Ufo SUN RADIATION mass just as you know.

In the past information said in your conscious awareness, for science is both correct but also 100 per cent wrong, the Destroyer that you would be attacked by God and changed.

Your science theme for self was to be time shifted/transported by the pyramid back into spirit....exactly as the story/memory and DATA says.

You re used that science at least 2 to 3 times since all life was self combusted or went to Hell.

Hence is the cities of God surround your own city and then you begin to irradiate the God ground fusion, stone to get power of God....for NEVER were you getting the power of God through the atmosphere as the Satanic Sun worshipping liars you all are....then you began to cause human life irradiation chemical brain depravity, as was witnessed.

The stories/themes were told exactly how it was told.

You NEVER OWNED the cities of God, God is the Earth stone and mountains.

You built you own cities by conditions of changes to God fusion yourselves.

Hence when water x mass is removed by science ground irradiation causes, the CITIES that human built as seen in CHINA are seen floating as a vision in the Heavens...for metals, minerals that you melted and used water to cool to own building materials prove that they are losing the cooling alchemical reasoning....how it occurs involving a human carbon water mass presence/life attack.

Therefore Satanist scientists, the theme liar is yours historically, why science also tries to make the biblical document seem irrelevant....for they knew that it was historic science information about cause and effect.

 

[Spartan]

Nonsense. Where does Jesus say that he was a god and that he was a contemporary of Moses?
And as you well know, biblical morality, including the ten commandments etc, is obviously just man-made anyway since it didn't apply to Abraham et al and their ancestors.

And the bible doesn't even mention anything about female homosexuality anyway.

If you believe otherwise, where does Leviticus 18 or 20 also say that it is disgusting for women to lie with womankind as with mankind, and where does Romans 1:26-27 say anything about female homosexuality or women with women "working that which is unseemly" as "likewise also the men"?
And where does Jesus explain why he loved one of his disciples instead of cleaving to a wife?

You know it makes sense

I and others have already rdemolished your claims above.

 

[Spartan]

Color me unconvinced, and that verse isn't even about Satan. Revelation is just a symbolic polemic against Rome, anyway.

Part of Revelation is about Rome. A lot of the rest of Revelation isn't.

But that Satan can cause diseases and make changes in people is evident from Luke 13:11-16 -

"And a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all....
"Then shouldn’t this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen long years, be released from this imprisonment on the Sabbath day?”

 

[dawny0826]

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You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. (Romans 1:26-27)

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. (1 Timothy. 1:9-10)
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So, why do you think god hates homosexual sex so much? I mean, it's no skin off his noes, is it? Could it be a matter of simple homophobia?

I found this article to be interesting and believable:

What does the Bible say about homosexuality? | First United Methodist Church of Fort Worth

If indeed these verses are translated correctly and considered appropriately within context, it makes sense to me that Paul is referencing other laws and societal "norms" and/or is using homosexuality and homosexual to describe something generally accepted as ugly such as sexual abuse.

It's also Paul who defines agape in 1 Corinthians and explains in Romans that love is the ultimate fulfillment of the law. God's commandments fully endorse love as being the ultimate fulfillment of the law and doesn't reference sex (gay or straight) aside from an expectation that we be faithful and truthful....essentially refraining from that which harms another or ourselves.

More important, it's Christ Jesus Himself who establishes His covenant and places love as the central focus. A hatred towards homosexuals for something that's inherent conflicts with the very nature of Christ and drips of human-imposed oppression and degradation.

 

[Spartan]

More important, it's Christ Jesus Himself who establishes His covenant and places love as the central focus. A hatred towards homosexuals for something that's inherent conflicts with the very nature of Christ and drips of human-imposed oppression and degradation.

So love is the answer? That must mean that God is fine with adultery also, right? Also, fornicators in love can now go to heaven, in spite of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. Right? Not a chance.

For the record,

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity" - 1 Corinthians 13

And,

"Love does no harm to a neighbor" - Romans 13:10 (Love does no harm to a neighbor, like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences)

 

[dawny0826]

So love is the answer? That must mean that God is fine with adultery also, right? Also, fornicators in love can now go to heaven, in spite of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. Right? Not a chance.

For the record,

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity" - 1 Corinthians 13

And,

"Love does no harm to a neighbor" - Romans 13:10 (Love does no harm to a neighbor, like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences)

I didn't state nor did I insinuate that God is fine with adultery.

Clearly, I understand the definition of agape as I referenced it's definition.

 

[Mitty]

I and others have already rdemolished your claims above.

Only in your dreams
Only in your dreams.

So where does Jesus claim to be a god and Moses' contemporary?
And where does Levticus 18 or 20 say that it is disgusting for women to lie with womankind as with mankind?
And unlike adultery by ALL remarried divorcees, which of the ten commandments refers to homosexuality?
And where does Romans 1:26-27 say anything about female homosexuality or women with women "working that which is unseemly" as "likewise also the men"?

 

[Tazarah]

BTW, most geneticists I have read believe that homosexual tendencies are largely genetic in most cases, which is also characteristic within other primates as well, so if God made some people that way then I guess the "problem" is really not theirs.

No evidence to prove this though.

 

[Mitty]

No evidence to prove this though.

Do you have any evidence that homosexual clergymen choose to be homosexuals?

 

[Tazarah]

Do you have any evidence that homosexual clergymen choose to be homosexuals?

Do you have any evidence that homosexuality is genetic, as somebody else has claimed?

 

[Mitty]

Do you have any evidence that homosexuality is genetic, as somebody else has claimed?

Why don't you ask some homosexual clergymen if they chose to be homosexuals or whether they were so born from their mothers' wombs.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Part of Revelation is about Rome. A lot of the rest of Revelation isn't.

But that Satan can cause diseases and make changes in people is evident from Luke 13:11-16 -

"And a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all....
"Then shouldn’t this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen long years, be released from this imprisonment on the Sabbath day?”

So I take it you are a Biblical literalist? You believe all illness and disease is caused by Satan? If I catch a cold, it's a demon attacking me?