God does exist

[FearGod]

Many asteroids do have given orbits. Look at Ceres, Pallas, Vesta and Juno, for example.

It belongs to layer 2 ,the same as for the Kuiper belt belongs to layer 7.

 

[Ouroboros]

The edge of the solar system is at 7.5 billion km if Kuiper's belt is used. I still don't get the number 4.5.

 

[Parsimony]

It belongs to layer 2 ,the same as for the Kuiper belt belongs to layer 7.

Why does the Kuiper belt get to have a layer all its own whereas the asteroid belt does not?

I don't get it. The Kupier belt is between 30 AU and 50 AU because of it's width. So we're talking only about the inner circumference at 30 AU but not the outer circumference of 50 AU? Why? Shouldn't the edge, if one would assume Kupier being that one and not the Oort cloud, be the edge of the outer circle of the belt? Why the inner only?

Exactly. It's because going with the inner edge gives him the number he wants so he just ignores the outer edge because it would give him a number that he doesn't want.

 

[FearGod]

The edge of the solar system is at 7.5 billion km if Kuiper's belt is used. I still don't get the number 4.5.

It is a good point.

I asked myself the same question.

The answer was that shortly beyond Pluto there is no atmosphere for the surrounding objects, IOW nothing significant all the way out of 7th layer.

Starship Asterisk* • View topic - ESO: Dwarf Planet Makemake Lacks Atmosphere

Please note that the distance is from earth to the edge and not from the sun to edge.

 

[FearGod]

Why does the Kuiper belt get to have a layer all its own whereas the asteroid belt does not?

Look to the figure and see how I made the layers.

Exactly. It's because going with the inner edge gives him the number he wants so he just ignores the outer edge because it would give him a number that he doesn't want.

And by coincidence a huge number in billions of km worked with me somewhere at the edge of the solar system.

How lucky I am.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A proof from the quran that the universe created by God

[...]

Accuracy rate = 97.7 %

So...

- you think that there's scientific knowledge in the Quran. The other people in the thread are doing a good job of showing how your claims are examples of the Forer effect at best and false at worst.

- you think that the only way it could have gotten there is the god that you believe in, despite the fact that all of the things you're claiming are in the Quran have been discovered by human beings on their own at least once.

- you don't bother to consider the possibility that even if all this is valid (which it isn't) and must have a divine source (which it doesn't), the source could be some source other than the particular god you believe in. How do you know it wasn't Loki tricking us?

- 97.7% accuracy implies 2.3% inaccuracy. Your god is 2.3% imperfect?

 

[Ouroboros]

Why does the Kuiper belt get to have a layer all its own whereas the asteroid belt does not?

Good point too.

And why start the count of heavens from Earth but using a distance to Kuiper's belt starting from the Sun? One or the other should be used.

Exactly. It's because going with the inner edge gives him the number he wants so he just ignores the outer edge because it would give him a number that he doesn't want.

Yup.

Also, here's the biggest mistake of them all:

The math is completely wrong. Circumference = diameter x pi. But the distance from the sun to Kuiper's belt is the radius, not the diameter.

The distance from the sun to the inner circle of Kuiper's belt is 30 AU, which is 4.5 billion km. Again, this is the radius, not the diameter. The diameter is 2*r, i.e. the diameter is twice the radius. This makes the number for the diameter 9 billion km, not 4.5.

The circumference is 2*pi*r, or pi*d. r=4.5, makes d=9.

9,000,000,000 x pi is approximately 28,000,000,000 . A completely different number of 14,130,000,000 than was in the first post. (exactly twice as much.)

God doesn't know trigonometry?

 

[Ouroboros]

It is a good point.

I asked myself the same question.

The answer was that shortly beyond Pluto there is no atmosphere for the surrounding objects, IOW nothing significant all the way out of 7th layer.

Starship Asterisk* • View topic - ESO: Dwarf Planet Makemake Lacks Atmosphere

Please note that the distance is from earth to the edge and not from the sun to edge.

Do you know trigonometry or geometry? What's the difference between diameter and radius to you? And what does 2πr mean?

Also, why is atmosphere a requirement for the calculation?

 

[FearGod]

Good point too.

And why start the count of heavens from Earth but using a distance to Kuiper's belt starting from the Sun? One or the other should be used.


Yup.

Also, here's the biggest mistake of them all:

The math is completely wrong. Circumference = diameter x pi. But the distance from the sun to Kuiper's belt is the radius, not the diameter.

The distance from the sun to the inner circle of Kuiper's belt is 30 AU, which is 4.5 billion km. Again, this is the radius, not the diameter. The diameter is 2*r, i.e. the diameter is twice the radius. This makes the number for the diameter 9 billion km, not 4.5.

The circumference is 2*pi*r, or pi*d. r=4.5, makes d=9.

9,000,000,000 x pi is approximately 28,000,000,000 . A completely different number of 14,130,000,000 than was in the first post. (exactly twice as much.)

God doesn't know trigonometry?

Please read the OP once again.

The verse about the width (earth to the edge) is the diameter and not radius.

I don't think "Kryptid" will agree with you since I can see he was the first to understand very well my point but he disagree with me about the 7 layers and the exact point for the edge of the solar system.

 

[Ouroboros]

Please read the OP once again.

The verse about the width (earth to the edge) is the diameter and not radius.

Huh? How?

The approx width from earth to the edge of our solar system is about
4500000000 Km

The circumference of Paradise = π X d
= 3,14 X 4500000000Km
= 14130000000 Km

The distance from Earth to the Kuiper belt is a distance, not a diameter. I think you need to read up on what diameter is. Your formula is completely and utterly wrong.

Besides, 4.5 billion km is the radius, distance from the sun to Kuiper's inner circle, not the distance from Earth.

I don't think "Kryptid" will agree with you since I can see he was the first to understand very well my point but he disagree with me about the 7 layers and the exact point for the edge of the solar system.

Uh. So appeal to authority somehow?

You know, I can ask one of the math professors at school and have them look at your formula. Or even better, one of the astronomy professors there. Would that help to win in the "who has the bigger authority" battle?

You can win again if you can provide how you arrived at the circumference formula and why the distance between an inner circle to an outer circle would be used that way. Your formula doesn't look right at all.

The circumference for the Kuiper belt is it's radius times two times pi, not pi times distance from Earth to the belt.

Or let's ask Kryptid if he agrees with me on the diameter v radius problem there. Is the formula 2πr? Is the radius 4.5 bkm? What's the answer?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I don't get it. The Kupier belt is between 30 AU and 50 AU because of it's width. So we're talking only about the inner circumference at 30 AU but not the outer circumference of 50 AU? Why? Shouldn't the edge, if one would assume Kupier being that one and not the Oort cloud, be the edge of the outer circle of the belt? Why the inner only?

Because it doesn't fit into his mythology maths.

 

[FearGod]

Huh? How?


The distance from Earth to the Kuiper belt is a distance, not a diameter. I think you need to read up on what diameter is. Your formula is completely and utterly wrong.

Besides, 4.5 billion km is the radius, distance from the sun to Kuiper's inner circle, not the distance from Earth.


Uh. So appeal to authority somehow?

You know, I can ask one of the math professors at school and have them look at your formula. Or even better, one of the astronomy professors there. Would that help to win in the "who has the bigger authority" battle?

You can win again if you can provide how you arrived at the circumference formula and why the distance between an inner circle to an outer circle would be used that way. Your formula doesn't look right at all.

The circumference for the Kuiper belt is it's radius times two times pi, not pi times distance from Earth to the belt.

Or let's ask Kryptid if he agrees with me on the diameter v radius problem there. Is the formula 2πr? Is the radius 4.5 bkm? What's the answer?

Please check again for the data given in my OP.

The width of the paradise is its diameter

its width (diameter) = earth + heavens = approx. 4.5 billion km

DIAMETER: the width of a circle (through center).
CIRCUMFERENCE CALCULATOR

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Please check again for the data given in my OP.

The width of the paradise is its diameter

its width (diameter) = earth + heavens = approx. 4.5 billion km

DIAMETER: the width of a circle (through center).
CIRCUMFERENCE CALCULATOR

Wait what are you defining as heavens?

 

[FearGod]

Wait what are you defining as heavens?

I have explained it in the OP (7 layers above earth) as described in the verse

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

I have explained it in the OP (7 layers above earth) as described in the verse

So are you accounting for the atmosphere? Cause there's like five layers of that above earth...could you also put up the definition of Firmament that you are using?

 

[Ouroboros]

Please check again for the data given in my OP.

The width of the paradise is its diameter

its width (diameter) = earth + heavens = approx. 4.5 billion km

That's not a "diameter".

DIAMETER: the width of a circle (through center).
CIRCUMFERENCE CALCULATOR

Yes, the width of a circle. You're not using the whole width of the circle!

The distance from Earth to the inner circle of your "heavens" is not the width!

The width, the diameter, is 2 times the radius. The radius is the distance from the Sun to the belt. It's simple geometry that we learned in 5th grade!

That's it. I'm not discussion this anymore. Your calculation and numbers are simply wrong.

 

[FearGod]

That's not a "diameter".


Yes, the width of a circle. You're not using the whole width of the circle!

The distance from Earth to the inner circle of your "heavens" is not the width!

The width, the diameter, is 2 times the radius. The radius is the distance from the Sun to the belt. It's simple geometry that we learned in 5th grade!

That's it. I'm not discussion this anymore. Your calculation and numbers are simply wrong.

Hope someone will help you as I can't make it more simpler.
Thanks anyway for your sharing.

 

[FearGod]

So are you accounting for the atmosphere? Cause there's like five layers of that above earth...could you also put up the definition of Firmament that you are using?

Your question reminds me when I was in doubt about the sky and how the bible says that there is an ocean up in the sky , so I thought that the prophets were cheating their people at that period of time as the sky may looks as water or as a ceiling...etc.

But when I read the verses about the sky, then it isn't only one sky above us.

Now if I was living at that period of time and heard the prophet says there are 7 heaven layer above layer above earth then I won't believe him because what I can see is one sky.

the width is as the width of the heavens and the earth, gotten ready for those who beiieve in Allah and His apostles. This is the grace of Allah; He vouchsafeth It Unto whomsoever He will; and Allah is Owner of mighty grace. (57:21)

As you see it is heavens (plural) which is the 7 heavens which is described as layers and roads.

May I ask what the difference between sky, heaven & firmament.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Your question reminds me when I was in doubt about the sky and how the bible says that there is an ocean up in the sky , so I thought that the prophets were cheating their people at that period of time as the sky may looks as water or as a ceiling...etc.

But when I read the verses about the sky, then it isn't only one sky above us.

Now if I was living at that period of time and heard the prophet says there are 7 heaven layer above layer above earth then I won't believe him because what I can see is one sky.

the width is as the width of the heavens and the earth, gotten ready for those who beiieve in Allah and His apostles. This is the grace of Allah; He vouchsafeth It Unto whomsoever He will; and Allah is Owner of mighty grace. (57:21)

As you see it is heavens (plural) which is the 7 heavens which is described as layers and roads.

May I ask what the difference between sky, heaven & firmament.

Well firmament from what i know, is the sky or heaven conceived as a solid dome.

It was used to separate Earth from the Clouds (which we know produce rain correct?). So when you saw Firmament you are speaking of this:

The word is used in the Genesis creation narrative:
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.[7]
An extremely literalistic interpretation of the Bible and non-canonical related texts present a cosmology that is incompatible with modern scientific knowledge.[8] The firmament was a great tent-like[9] ceiling made of solid crystalline-like material,[10] which, according to the pseudepedigraphic 2nd or 3rd century book of 3 Baruch, might be pierced by tower and gimlet.[11] It had many windows, some of which opened and closed for the sun and moon to travel through[12] or to let water, which was held above, fall through as rain.[13] On top there were also warehouses of snow and hail.[14] Stars were small objects that were attached tenuosly to its surface.[15]
The Jewish Encyclopedia describes the firmament as follows:
The Hebrews regarded the earth as a plain or a hill figured like a hemisphere, swimming on water. Over this is arched the solid vault of heaven. To this vault are fastened the lights, the stars. So slight is this elevation that birds may rise to it and fly along its expanse.[16]

Now I don't know if this is what you meant when you say firmament as that would not match with what the word is supposed to mean. So I thought you had a different definition. Though the passage I have given is from wikipedia so it may of course be inaccurate.

So when you say 7 Heavens and also speak of the Firmament, those seven heavens are they contained in the firmament or are they beyond it?

 

[FearGod]

Well firmament from what i know, is the sky or heaven conceived as a solid dome.

It was used to separate Earth from the Clouds (which we know produce rain correct?). So when you saw Firmament you are speaking of this:

The word is used in the Genesis creation narrative:
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.[7]
An extremely literalistic interpretation of the Bible and non-canonical related texts present a cosmology that is incompatible with modern scientific knowledge.[8] The firmament was a great tent-like[9] ceiling made of solid crystalline-like material,[10] which, according to the pseudepedigraphic 2nd or 3rd century book of 3 Baruch, might be pierced by tower and gimlet.[11] It had many windows, some of which opened and closed for the sun and moon to travel through[12] or to let water, which was held above, fall through as rain.[13] On top there were also warehouses of snow and hail.[14] Stars were small objects that were attached tenuosly to its surface.[15]
The Jewish Encyclopedia describes the firmament as follows:
The Hebrews regarded the earth as a plain or a hill figured like a hemisphere, swimming on water. Over this is arched the solid vault of heaven. To this vault are fastened the lights, the stars. So slight is this elevation that birds may rise to it and fly along its expanse.[16]

Now I don't know if this is what you meant when you say firmament as that would not match with what the word is supposed to mean. So I thought you had a different definition. Though the passage I have given is from wikipedia so it may of course be inaccurate.

So when you say 7 Heavens and also speak of the Firmament, those seven heavens are they contained in the firmament or are they beyond it?

And still some people believe those things to be the words of God.

What surprised me that when I started to think about the size of the paradise and worked to find it with the few information that I have in hand then the result was amazing.

There is only 2 answers for it
God does exist or coincidence