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God existance in Islam
- Thread starter Britedream
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MD
qualiaphile
You create pain in your brain, not that you recognize it. Pain is not in the skin, there, Quran debunked! The skin has nerve cells which transmit information to the brain where it's created into the perception of what we call pain.
Doctors have been using peppermint oil for thousands of years to cure skin burning. The cutaneous spread of Herpes was even documented by the Greeks. The Quran doesn't even mention nerves, you just added that in there.
Any 5 year old will tell you that pain is in the skin, that's not the divine word of God.
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Britedream
Active Member
Please do not lie again; the verse is posted up, the verse says: the skin is replaced for them to feel the punishments.
I know brain works with chemical, electricity, and magnetic field. we are not here to discuss how the brain works.
Just give a link to an old book that says pain is in the skin.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
What? Are you on drugs or medication? Let's get this straight. Science does NOT support the Qur'an. Only fanatical ideologues will even suggest that that is so. The reason why the people of the time didn't know these things is because "modern" (if you want to call them that) writers are reading far too much into the text in order to make those silly passages relevant in our era. These ideas don't fly well outside of Muslim circles. You do understand that, correct?
outhouse
Atheistically
what kind of mythical garbage is this?
Skin evolved. That is a fact.
Your mythology however for the most part is stolen from previous religions
outhouse
Atheistically
This is exactly why they murder each other over interpretation alone.
When one is forced to pervert reality, imagination takes over.
Britedream
Active Member
Let us see who is on drug.
This is my post to you:
This is your reply:
You said "I can't"
and this is what I responded, so stop the lie, and do not post to me anything.
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outhouse
Atheistically
So you lack English skills to intellectually grasp the context of his statements?
Britedream
Active Member
You and your friend can dream all day long, but what you do not understand, that for you to refute a claim, you must present an evidence to prove it is wrong.
MD
qualiaphile
But pain is not in the skin
. (I mean one can argue for a sort of panpsychism that skin cells have a state of 'being', but i doubt this is what you're going for here)You're inferring that it is, the skin has nerve cells which transmit information to the brain which somehow gives rise to pain. If you are trying to prove that your quote implies that as a proof of nociception, it doesn't. Nonetheless I looked and found an answer for you
https://web.stanford.edu/class/history13/earlysciencelab/body/nervespages/nerves.html
" In the fourth century B. C., the Greek philosopher Aristotle believed firmly that the nerves were controlled by and originated in the heart because it was, in his interpretation, the first organ of the body and the seat of all motion and sensation. Not surprisingly, he was misled by his confusion between ligaments and nerves in drawing this conclusion. Six centuries later, the Roman physician Galen contradicted him, disparaging those "who know nothing of what is to be seen in dissection." Instead he concluded that the brain was the most important organ of the body, with the nerves emanating from it: "I have shown in my book On the Teachings of Hippocrates and Plato that the source of the nerves, of all sensation, and of voluntary motion is the encephalon [the brain] and that the source of the arteries and of the innate heat is the heart.""
So Galen published this in the 2nd century AD, 400 years before Islam. And here, Galen says that the brain is responsible for sensation and not the skin. Is Galen more right than the Quran?
And then Refuting Dawahganda: Pain Receptors or Sensory Characteristic of the Skin
""Galen refers to the relation between the brain and the nerves that lead from the sense-organs to the brain ... He also says that vision works like touch, which operates through the nerves from the surface of the body to the brain; the idea being the sensitive air close to the color seen is analogous to the nerve-ends in our skin."https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=5652836676559811798[iii]
The book is http://books.google.ca/books?id=3z09AAAAIAAJ&dq=&redir_esc=y
outhouse
Atheistically
You first have to prove it to be right. You have not.
We do not have to prove your imagination is in error.
Britedream
Active Member
Shahz, Do you expect an old book will give you the detail info.?, I need from you a source that says the pain in the skin, so I would say to you well , my point doesn't stand, due to the possiblity that copying the idea exist. so we go to anothoer point.But pain is not in the skin
You're inferring that it is, the skin has nerve cells which transmit information to the brain which somehow gives rise to pain. If you are trying to prove that your quote implies that as a proof of nociception, it doesn't. Nonetheless I looked and found an answer for you
https://web.stanford.edu/class/history13/earlysciencelab/body/nervespages/nerves.html
" In the fourth century B. C., the Greek philosopher Aristotle believed firmly that the nerves were controlled by and originated in the heart because it was, in his interpretation, the first organ of the body and the seat of all motion and sensation. Not surprisingly, he was misled by his confusion between ligaments and nerves in drawing this conclusion. Six centuries later, the Roman physician Galen contradicted him, disparaging those "who know nothing of what is to be seen in dissection." Instead he concluded that the brain was the most important organ of the body, with the nerves emanating from it: "I have shown in my book On the Teachings of Hippocrates and Plato that the source of the nerves, of all sensation, and of voluntary motion is the encephalon [the brain] and that the source of the arteries and of the innate heat is the heart.""
So Galen published this in the 2nd century AD, 400 years before Islam. And here, Galen says that the brain is responsible for sensation and not the skin. Is Galen more right than the Quran?
And then Refuting Dawahganda: Pain Receptors or Sensory Characteristic of the Skin
""Galen refers to the relation between the brain and the nerves that lead from the sense-organs to the brain ... He also says that vision works like touch, which operates through the nerves from the surface of the body to the brain; the idea being the sensitive air close to the color seen is analogous to the nerve-ends in our skin."https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=5652836676559811798[iii]
The book is http://books.google.ca/books?id=3z09AAAAIAAJ&dq=&redir_esc=y
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Britedream
Active Member
Go and read about refuting a claim.
If you go up in the sky, doesn't your chest(breathing) become tight as you go up?.
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MD
qualiaphile
But Galen existed before Mohammed and the Quran. How can a mortal man know more than the final prophet of God? The source I gave you says:
""Galen refers to the relation between the brain and the nerves that lead from the sense-organs to the brain ... He also says that vision works like touch, which operates through the nerves from the surface of the body to the brain; the idea being the sensitive air close to the color seen is analogous to the nerve-ends in our skin."[iii]
The book is http://books.google.ca/books?id=3z09...q=&redir_esc=y
I am not trying to deny your faith, I just want you to question whether your book is the final word of the creator of an infinite universe. When people believe that, then they go crazy and start all the jihad of the world.
I respect the message in the Quran of community, charity, generosity, morality and selflessness. But the crazy **** has got to go.
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outhouse
Atheistically
If you read book, you not learn?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
LOL. Let me explain. When I said that "I can't" it was specifically in reference to "prove to me that, this information that presented in those verses are known at that time." Why can't I prove it? Easy. There is no corroborating evidence to suggest they understood much of anything. The point is, these so-called "scientific miracles" that have arisen in the last 40 years, largely due to the Saudi's hefty funding in the area, are utterly meaningless and further, are without academic merit. The idea, "How did they know this?" is a canard, a joke that presupposes that the so-called "scientific miracles" are VALID. They're not valid and so the question, "How did they know this?" is drivel and essentially a vast armada of stawman arguments.
My guess is that these so-called "arguments" are a response to the unfortunate reality that Muslims and Islam have contributed precious little to modern understanding for over 500 years.
What would be impressive is if Muslim scientists made a breakthrough discovery based on an obscure passage from the Qur'an. That WOULD be interesting.
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Britedream
Active Member
Do you see the Ph.D saying. I gave you the link for it. "in the skin"
It is very simple.
What I did ask you, is to show me a link to an old book that says pain is in the skin.
Why do you go left and right?.
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MD
qualiaphile
The Quran does not say pain is in the skin. The Quran doesn't mention it once. You are drawing inaccurate ideas from your so called book.
The link I gave you clearly shows that Galen said that the nerves in the skin, written by a MAN hundreds of years BEFORE the Quran.
You are lying and being deceitful because I have disproven your so called holy book. It's a sham.
Britedream
Active Member
Leave your opinion aside, Just give a link for an old book that says the pain is in the skin, can you do it ?, or you can't. leave the quran for the moment.
How many times, do I have to say that.
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MD
qualiaphile
Are you blind? I just did
""Galen refers to the relation between the brain and the nerves that lead from the sense-organs to the brain ... He also says that vision works like touch, which operates through the nerves from the surface of the body to the brain; the idea being the sensitive air close to the color seen is analogous to the nerve-ends in our skin."[iii]
The book is http://books.google.ca/books?id=3z09...q=&redir_esc=y