sandy whitelinger
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Better to owe it to me than cheat me out of it.
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God is a person
- Thread starter Man of Faith
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Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
If telling people not to have false idols or gods above him isn't insecure, I don't know what is.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Are you saying that God is not well-adjusted? Perhaps He just knows that following the wrong God leads to destruction.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
If he knows that, it's because he set it up that way, unless he didn't create everything.
waitasec
Veteran Member
so far your arguments are contradictory...
at least i'm consistent
that's funny...
Noaidi
slow walker
Your reply is a wee bit esoteric. This thread isnt concerned with perception of reality its about your god being perceived as a real person who is able to have a two-way communication with people.
My basic question was how this actually occurs. If I speak to someone, there is an interaction: talking and listening in turns, reading body language and so on. How do you do this with your god?
I also asked for an answer that could be verified by everyone, not just believers. If this communication exists, the process should be open to scrutiny by anyone, not just a select few.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I'm saying that it is mankinds fault not your Grandma's. I'm in the hospital right now, I just had a stint put in my heart this morning. I understand that it is because of originial sin and we live in a fallen world and everybody dies of something.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
But how are we responsible for the mistakes that others had committed long before we even existed? Punishing the innocent for other people's crimes is an injustice.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Has anyone stopped sinning sin Adam and Eve? We all partake and propetuate the fallen nature in the earth. The reason there is disease, natural disasters and death in the world is because of mankinds sin. An innocent child does not sin but can die of cancer, but if they grew up they would sin.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
So God is unjust? He's punishing Grandma for someone else's sins?
Hmmm should we stop learning about aging? I was in the hospital for cancer and would have surely died if we didnt know about radiation and chemo-therapy and surgery and medicine etc etc.
Last I checked in on the M prize the research was mind blowing. Aging may not be needed. Death may be easily avoidable. Hope you feel better. Be good.
Twig pentagram
High Priest
Oh God please don't let this be true.
Noaidi
slow walker
I hope you are not seriously promoting this idea.
If you are, there are many good biology and geology textbooks out there dealing with the causes of disease and natural disasters. Well worth having a look at.
So you think it's just to punish someone for something they haven't done yet?
So... the effects of sin can be staved off (at least temporarily) by inserting a small tube in one of your arteries? What a bizarre concept.
BTW - exactly who was it who set up the unjust system where one person's sin can lead to harm for others?
It would also mean that all efforts to relieve suffering are futile, apart from getting people to stop sinning. I hope that Man of Faith is happy that his cardiac surgeon doesn't share this view.
(BTW, MoF - I didn't realize you were in the hospital until you just mentioned it. I hope you recover quickly)
Does everything happen according to gods plan? If so, it's gods fault I'm an atheist.
Looncall
Well-Known Member
Isn't it cute how religion can be used to excuse unlimited evil? Sounds like a con job to me.
The clerics can explain away any bad thing that happens while keeping their followers in a state of morbid guilt and therefore obedience.
(all the best for your recovery, MofF)
ninerbuff
godless wonder
god is a figment of imagination for the perfect person you wish you could share you life with. Not uncommon to fantasize about things like this.
Just thinking (and to pull this discussion a bit back toward the OP)...
Man of Faith, you said that God is a person in that he wills, thinks, feels, etc. In the case of a mortal person, these things create culpability: if we foresee the consequences of an action and deliberately (i.e. as an act of will) cause that action to occur, then we are culpable for the foreseen result. However, it seems like you're arguing that God isn't culpable in this way.
Doesn't this create a contradiction? If God really is a person, then doesn't this mean that God is culpable like a person would be?
Man of Faith, you said that God is a person in that he wills, thinks, feels, etc. In the case of a mortal person, these things create culpability: if we foresee the consequences of an action and deliberately (i.e. as an act of will) cause that action to occur, then we are culpable for the foreseen result. However, it seems like you're arguing that God isn't culpable in this way.
Doesn't this create a contradiction? If God really is a person, then doesn't this mean that God is culpable like a person would be?
ninerbuff
godless wonder
And did god pay taxes?