God rejects homosexuals...this is a fact

[drivingbackwards]

Even if someone divorces within biblical reasons, Scripture does not clearly teach that you can remarry.
this is not correct the bible says better to marry than to burn with passion. second marriage can be biblical correct.

There is a misunderstanding about what adultery means in the old biblical times.

The problem is found when today's customs are applied instead of the customs of the people two thousand years ago.

Lets see.

The bible states nothing against a man having more than one wife, or a wife and concubines. Please read the explanation below.

You can read of several examples where the bible shows men having more than one wife and God and neither Jesus or the apostles condemn it.

So, in those times a man can have more than wife but he cannot divorce one of them but only in the case when "she" was involved sexually with another man.

Lets clear up this:

1)- A man can marry more than one woman.
2)- A woman can only marry one man.

From here, adultery was considered only in one case with two pints of view:

a)- A married woman having sex with a man that is not her husband.
b)- A man having sex with a woman married to another man.

Of course, the women's movement of today should consider this custom as discriminatory against them, but such were the customs two thousand years ago.

Lets check now about the "churches" after Jesus.

Still, they have the custom of men married to several women in their assemblies anyway, even when Jesus "suggested" that the best way is a man with one woman only, but this is not a commandment.

Evidence?

Lets see.

"If a man seeks the office of a bishop, he desires a good work. The bishop therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife..." (1 Timothy 3:2-3)

Yes, this is a requirement only "if" a man seeks for the office of a bishop, but, what about the ones who don't seek for the office of a bishop? The answer is that the rest of men were not required to be the husband of one wife only in order to belong to the assembly.

Then, still the word "divorce" between all this. And lets see another example. King David didn't kill or got divorced from his first wife, he just sent her to isolation. As you can notice, even when King David indeed committed adultery having sex with a woman married to another man, King David however, did not ask for divorce against his first wife because she didn't commit adultery.

Of course, today the customs are different and today a married man having sex with a single woman is considered "adultery", but in the older times "adultery" only implied sex between a married woman with a man other than her husband.

Now well, the same Jesus understood the situation and said that a man can divorce her wife "only" when the wife has been with another man, otherwise, because she got fat, or she lost a leg in an accident, or she stinks, or that he lost interest about her, etc, nothing of these is valid to get such a divorce.

Again, today the customs are different than the customs of two thousand years ago, but for God, according to the bible, is not a sin for a man to have more than one wife. To marry more than one wife is unlawful in many countries of the world but not to God. I guess Mormons are right about this issue after all.

Best wishes.

 

[drivingbackwards]

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? We've already established that the bible is meaningless to those who do not believe in it. You might was well quote Cat in The Hat while you're at it. Without evidence and logic to substantiate them, your words mean nothing.

Of, I thought that I was in a website dedicated to religious affairs...

 

[Green Gaia]

The problem is found when today's customs are applied instead of the customs of the people two thousand years ago.


Again, today the customs are different than the customs of two thousand years ago,

Very good! Now apply that same logic to same sex relationships... times change and it's time to stop discriminating against homosexuals.

but for God, according to the bible, is not a sin for a man to have more than one wife. To marry more than one wife is unlawful in many countries of the world but not to God. I guess Mormons are right about this issue after all.

I don't know of any Mormon who has more than one spouse or thinks that is what God wants.

 

[Father Heathen]

Of, I thought that I was in a website dedicated to religious affairs...

It is, but not all people belong to the same religion. If you were arguing the issue exclusively with other Christians then quoting the bible might make sense, but when a discussion involves people of other faiths (or none at all) quoting the bible really doesn't hold much weight. For example, if a Hindu quoted to you from one of their religious texts that eating beef would result in you being reincarnated as a lower life form, would you be concerned? Of course you wouldn't because you're not Hindu and don't share their beliefs. That is why using evidence and logic to support your argument is the only effective method of persuasion.

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

Again, today the customs are different than the customs of two thousand years ago, but for God, according to the bible, is not a sin for a man to have more than one wife. To marry more than one wife is unlawful in many countries of the world but not to God. I guess Mormons are right about this issue after all.

Best wishes.

LOL! Are you saying that if I was born earlier, it's okay fo me to have many wives but not many husbands? Do you think God's laws change with the customs of the day? Are you saying God is mutable, and bends according to the culture norms? I never knew God changes with the times. Maybe you should convert to being a Mormon Christian. BTW... please share with us a link to your home church. Does you pastor have multiple wives?

 

[Autodidact]

Even if someone divorces within biblical reasons, Scripture does not clearly teach that you can remarry.
this is not correct the bible says better to marry than to burn with passion. second marriage can be biblical correct.

I thought you took your moral's from God's word? God himself told you that remarriage is adultery:

Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

There is no ambiguity here, and no allowance for second marriage. Further, Jesus Himself issued this commandment. Yet you spend time hounding poor Gay people, including non-Christians, trying to get us to comply with a commandment that isn't even in the Bible, on the grounds that we should abide by God's words, which you clearly don't? Hypocrite much.

It seems like when it causes inconvenience to the majority of Christians, suddenly you're very, very liberal in your Biblical interpretation. Heck, it's more than liberal, it's interpreting the Bible to mean the opposite of what Jesus said, all the while claiming to base your morality on the Bible.

Obviously, your argument, which is bogus, applies tit for tat to Gay marriage. Therefore I assume you support it? Cuz you wouldn't want to be a big lying hypocrite sinner, would you?

 

[DallasApple]

Maybe they were gay baby rabbits and she was doing God's work.

No..its just her instinct..She's an animal not capable of unerstanding "gay" and things like that.

She kills birds too..

There is no reasoning...she is just a cat..

Love

Dalals

 

[DallasApple]

Well, butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

I want a biscuit now..But with creamy sausage gravy..Im going to make some..

Love

Dallas

 

[Green Gaia]

I want a biscuit now..But with creamy sausage gravy..Im going to make some..

Love

Dallas

I bet you make good biscuits, don't you, Dallas? :drool:

 

[Autodidact]

Sure, and what are the fruits of homosexuals?

Love. Also music, like Appalachian Spring and Westside Story, Art, like the Sistine Chapel, literature, like My Antonia, and tennis championships, like world record holder Martina Navratilova.

Because I read the bible and the bible says that what homosexuals do is an abomination to God, are you saying that I am talking in the name of Satan?

That was pre-Jesus, get with the Christian program.

It's clear to me that you're doing Satan's work, as gzusfrk explained. And you seem to be trying to drive as many souls away from Jesus as you can. You've certainly succeeded in my case; I don't want to worship a bigot!

Of course, Satan is on the side of homosexuals, because Satan wants men to perish forever, and homosexuals are an easy task by lying them saying: "love one to another...etc..." The truth is that the love between homosexuals IS abomination to God and nothing will change this fact.

Satan would say that. Remember, he's a deceiver.

Please don't look for more excuses, the word of God is clear and homosexuals will never ever be acceptable to God. This is what the bible stands for, and any misinterpretation of it is at your own risk.

Are we reading the same book? Mine says that divorce is prohibited, but lesbianism is permissible.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Because I read the bible and the bible says that what homosexuals do is an abomination to God, are you saying that I am talking in the name of Satan?

You know, you never did clear up that issue with God saying that naughty people are an abomination as well. It seems that God labeled all kinds of things as abominations and today we say, oh well he he didn't really mean it in these cases but with gay folks he did. Looks to me like you're just looking for an excuse to hate gays rather than having any actual evidence.

 

[Autodidact]

There is a misunderstanding about what adultery means in the old biblical times.

The problem is found when today's customs are applied instead of the customs of the people two thousand years ago.

Exactly. Now you're on the right track.

Lets see.

The bible states nothing against a man having more than one wife, or a wife and concubines. Please read the explanation below.

That's right. Polygamy is quite permissible in the Bible. Yet you don't see Christians advocating for their right to practice it, for some reason.

So, in those times a man can have more than wife but he cannot divorce one of them but only in the case when "she" was involved sexually with another man.

Maybe, at most. Jesus contradicted Himself on this point.

Lets clear up this:

1)- A man can marry more than one woman.
2)- A woman can only marry one man.

But he can't divorce the first one. If he wants more than one woman, the only Biblically sanctioned option is polygamy.

From here, adultery was considered only in one case with two pints of view:

a)- A married woman having sex with a man that is not her husband.
b)- A man having sex with a woman married to another man.

And a man marrying a divorced woman, or remarrying after his own divorce. At least, that's what Jesus says.

Now well, the same Jesus understood the situation and said that a man can divorce her wife "only" when the wife has been with another man, otherwise, because she got fat, or she lost a leg in an accident, or she stinks, or that he lost interest about her, etc, nothing of these is valid to get such a divorce.

Again, today the customs are different than the customs of two thousand years ago, but for God, according to the bible, is not a sin for a man to have more than one wife. To marry more than one wife is unlawful in many countries of the world but not to God. I guess Mormons are right about this issue after all.

Best wishes.

All correct. So my question: Please describe your anti-divorce, or at least, anti-remarriage, activism. In particular, please direct us to your threads here at RF on this controversial subject.

 

[gzusfrk]

I thought you took your moral's from God's word? God himself told you that remarriage is adultery:

Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

There is no ambiguity here, and no allowance for second marriage. Further, Jesus Himself issued this commandment. Yet you spend time hounding poor Gay people, including non-Christians, trying to get us to comply with a commandment that isn't even in the Bible, on the grounds that we should abide by God's words, which you clearly don't? Hypocrite much.

It seems like when it causes inconvenience to the majority of Christians, suddenly you're very, very liberal in your Biblical interpretation. Heck, it's more than liberal, it's interpreting the Bible to mean the opposite of what Jesus said, all the while claiming to base your morality on the Bible.

Obviously, your argument, which is bogus, applies tit for tat to Gay marriage. Therefore I assume you support it? Cuz you wouldn't want to be a big lying hypocrite sinner, would you?

your saying is from jesus and is correct. how ever he was talking about those who divorce just because. romans 7 verse 3 says a woman can remarry...you cant take part of the word.case in point, jesus said who ever believes I am he will live forever, later pauls says satan believes jesus is from god so is he saved,,I think not

 

[Autodidact]

Of, I thought that I was in a website dedicated to religious affairs...

Nope. It's devoted to discussion of religion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Love. Also music, like Appalachian Spring and Westside Story, Art, like the Sistine Chapel, literature, like My Antonia, and tennis championships, like world record holder Martina Navratilova.

Also protection of many members of my family in Britain during WWII.

 

[Autodidact]

Also protection of many members of my family in Britain during WWII.

Which in turn led directly to the computer that drivingbackwards is typing on.

 

[Father Heathen]

God also considered eating mollusks and crustaceans an abomination, so why don't Christians ever picket Red Lobster or Long John Silvers? Why are they so inconsistent and hypocritical in their moral righteousness?

 

[J Bryson]

Also protection of many members of my family in Britain during WWII.

And let's not forget some of the best plays and short stories of the past two hundred years.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

God also considered eating mollusks and crustaceans an abomination, so why don't Christians ever picket Red Lobster or Long John Silvers? Why are they so inconsistent and hypocritical in their moral righteousness?

That's what I'm saying! But this backward's driving fellow keeps ignoring that question. All you have to do is to to the Blue Letter Bible and search on the word abomination and there's tons of examples but why is lieth with another man the only one still enforced?

 

[Autodidact]

That's what I'm saying! But this backward's driving fellow keeps ignoring that question. All you have to do is to to the Blue Letter Bible and search on the word abomination and there's tons of examples but why is lieth with another man the only one still enforced?

That's easy. Conservative Christians are hypocrites. They don't mind prohibiting gay sex, because 97% of them are heterosexual. They don't like rules against eating shellfish or second marriages, so they ignore those ones. It's purely a matter of personal convenience.