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God's conditional love

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Unveiled Artist

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Wildswanderer said:
It's wrong because a holy God cannot tolerate sin unless it's atoned for.
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This is a condition. Unconditional love forgives with or without atonement. It's not just god saying "I love all" it's showing it. He could be just talking about believers. At least that's how it's set in the bible.
 
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If God equated good and evil, and loved all equally, it would not make it a better God but a worse one.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Unveiled Artist said:
This is a condition. Unconditional love forgives with or without atonement. It's not just gid saying "I love all" it's showing it. He could be just talking about believers. At least that's how it's set in the bible.
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Only it's not. Scripture says all men were drawn to him after the resurrection
 
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muhammad_isa

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Unveiled Artist said:
There's no evil in unconditional love.
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That is meaningless.
If a person is envious of another and wishes them harm, should not one be on their guard?
Should we love such a person and let them destroy us?
Almighty God says no.
We have to be sensible. We have to follow righteousnes and beware of the evil..
The evil in ourselves, and the evil in others.
 
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Unveiled Artist

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muhammad_isa said:
That is meaningless.
If a person is envious of another and wishes them harm, should not one be on their guard?
Should we love such a person and let them destroy us?
Almighty God says no.
We have to be sensible. We have to follow righteousnes and beware of the evil..
The evil in ourselves, and the evil in others.
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God forgives all people despite what they do; that's unconditional love. Evil has no place in this.

If a child hurt another child the mother doesn't call that child evil for what their child has done. The mother ideally forgives that child "with" the conditions or criteria she wants him or her to follow. When a person "does evil" that may mean either a. they didn't like the conditions god gave them or b. god has no unconditional love thereby they have free will to disobey (and be blamed for it).

There is no evil in ourselves and others. I'm not sure how that perspective of life lets any christian grow spiritually, but if they believe in a god with unconditional love despite what they see of each other, god would not see them that way.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Unveiled Artist said:
Condition sets this up. Unconditional there are no evil ones.

There's no evil in unconditional love.
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That's a head scratcher.
Again loving someone doesn't mean condoning their bad behavior for us, why would it for God?
The difference is, God can and did do something about our sin.
God offers salvation to all. Not all accept his gift...I believe the rebellious people would never be happy in heaven anyway. How can you be happy to worship the one you rejected? So God gives them what they asked for.
 
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Unveiled Artist

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Wildswanderer said:
That's a head scratcher.
Again loving someone doesn't mean condoning their bad behavior for us, why would it for God?
The difference is, God can and did do something about our sin.
God offers salvation to all. Not all accept his gift...I believe the rebellious people would never be happy in heaven anyway. How can you be happy to worship the one you rejected? So God gives them what they asked for.
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He offers salvation for "those who believe."

Unconditional love All go to heaven regardless if they repent or not.

There wouldn't be rejection because an unconditional loving god wouldn't have conditions to where that's possible. They'd be full of love without need to sin. Unless christians can only come to christ if they have the option to sin?
 
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Unveiled Artist

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Wildswanderer said:
Well that's totally unbiblical and demonstrably false.
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The verse John 3:16 is a condition that divides the benefits of one who believes as opposed to one who does not. God may "say" love all people (unconditionally) but his directives (John 3:16) either a. contradicts this (i.e. god so loved the world) or it agrees because it only applies to believers. It has no prophets, no chosen ones, and no death to sinners versus blessed. However, this is not the case. His love has conditions.

What is the criteria that god puts on you in order for you "experience" god's love not just hear him "say" it? That criteria is a condition. Without it you wouldn't be a believer. God loving the world does nothing unless he followers up his actions by not dividing people into groups.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Unveiled Artist said:
There wouldn't be rejection because an unconditional loving god wouldn't have conditions to where that's possible. They'd be full of love without need to sin. Unless christians can only
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Ok this is just ridiculous. We can not even imagine a world where sin isn't possible. This world is a chance to decide who we cast our lot with. It's not heaven yet. God even allowed the angels the freedom to choose and many chose evil. You really want a world with no choices?
 
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Unveiled Artist

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Wildswanderer said:
That would make God worse than Satan.
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I wouldn't say so. That's trying to limit God telling him he must have evil and punish people so you can believe in him. It sounds like you're putting criteria on God (your own conditions).

How does comparing God and humans to Satan help you spiritually?
 
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Wildswanderer

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Unveiled Artist said:
I wouldn't say so. That's trying to limit God telling him he must have evil and punish people so you can believe in him. It sounds like you're putting criteria on God (your own conditions).

How does comparing God and humans to Satan help you spiritually?
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You don't understand. Obviously good and evil exist in this reality. If God just accepted evil into his kingdom, he would have to be evil him self.
Instead God offers the remedy for evil to everyone who will accept it.
God loves everyone enough to die for them and you still don't see that as unconditional love? What more could he do?
 
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muhammad_isa

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Unveiled Artist said:
There is no evil in ourselves and others..
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We'll have to agree to disagree.
If you go to a hospital here in the UK on a saturday night, you will see the result of evil .. violence, often exacerbated by excessive alcohol.
..There are plenty of examples of evil ---> rape .. adultery .. murder .. theft .. fraud.

Are you living in "cloud cuckoo land", or something?
 
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