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Governor DeSantis Signs Law Against Squatters

Callisto

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
esmith said:
Well it looks like Florida took the bull by the horns and are finally standing up for homeowner rights vs squatters rights.
It is about time all States took a closer look at their laws on squatters.
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Too bad he wasn't that proactive 3 years ago, might have helped his presidential bid.

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"I got mail four years here", Trump defiantly tweeted. The landlords, the American People, said "we're not surprised" given Trump had always been a nightmare tenant. "He's made it clear that he has no intention of vacating after his lease expires. We suspect he has removed and likely sold classified documents and some furniture that's also not his. There are ketchup and Coke stains on everything, the full extent of damage still remains to be determined."
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Kfox said:
I'm talking about Squatters breaking into your house when you are not there, and setting up shop, forcing the home owner to live on the streets till they can save up enough money to evict them. If the property were abandoned, nobody would care who lives there.
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I really doubt that's happening. I too would like evidence.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Kfox said:
Okay; in the second example below, a woman came back from vacation only to find not only squatters living in her home, but they sold much of her furniture and possessions. Do you find this to be fair?

www.usatoday.com

'Fairly big problem': Squatters invade homes and refuse to leave. How is this legal?

Squatting is not a particularly difficult problem to solve. It simply requires police and prosecutors to enforce existing laws.
www.usatoday.com
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It has nothing to do with what’s fair. That’s what you aren’t getting. When we treat a huge segment of our own society like their lives don’t count for anything, they will inevitably return that attitude. And the whole culture begins to break down because the laws that would hold it together are being used to destroy people. We now have rampant retail theft To the point where stores are simply closing up. We didn’t used to see this, either. We have rampant drug addiction happening from coast to coast in small towns and big cities, we didn’t used to see that, either. Not like it is now. We have giant homeless encampments in public parks, beaches, and main streets in many of our cities. I’ve never seen anything like that in my lifetime. And thousands of small towns with gutted and vacant main streets surrounded by falling down shacks that used to be people’s homes.

None of this is “fair”. None of us deserves to be treated like this. And we shouldn’t be treating each other like this. But somewhere along the line greed became a virtue in this country. A virtue that was encouraged and enabled and rewarded at every turn. And it turned us all against each other. It created a society of predators and prey. A society where sharing the wealth is just inconceivable to us. And where the laws are rigged to exploit and abuse people for maximum profit. And now those people no longer respect those laws. Why would they? When they did, they only got screwed over For it.

Squatting is just one small symptom of a whole society that is coming apart at the seams because greed has poisoned it and turned everyone in it against everyone else.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Revoltingest said:
@Shadow Wolf....weren't you arguing that there
are no property rights? We need your views in
this thread. And who's that other guy who also
denied them?
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No. I said the Constitution doesn't entitle us to property as a right. It doesn't. It's not there. Property ownership may come with rights, but owning property is a privilege in America and much of the rest of the world.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Shadow Wolf said:
Yeah, it's the origin of what we have know for many decades at least as "squatter's rights."
There is absolutely nothing new about it.
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Actually, it would be centuries, not decades:

Parliament passed England's first general statute limiting the right to recover possession of land in 1623​
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And since there was a law created, it would strongly indicate there was a reason for the law be created, which would strongly imply it existed before the first law....
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
McBell said:
Actually, it would be centuries, not decades:

Parliament passed England's first general statute limiting the right to recover possession of land in 1623​
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And since there was a law created, it would strongly indicate there was a reason for the law be created, which would strongly imply it existed before the first law....
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It's actually even older than that. The specific phrase, squatters rights, however, that one at least decades though I don't know when it first came into usage.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Shadow Wolf said:
It's actually even older than that. The specific phrase, squatters rights, however, that one at least decades though I don't know when it first came into usage.
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Fair enough.

Mainly because I am completely unable to pinpoint the origin of that specific phrase....
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
No. I said the Constitution doesn't entitle us to property as a right. It doesn't. It's not there. Property ownership may come with rights, but owning property is a privilege in America and much of the rest of the world.
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And if you don't like libertarians....
www.pbs.org

Privacy & Property Rights | Rights | CONSTITUTION USA with Peter Sagal | PBS

The Bill of Rights offers protections, but their interpretation has varied over time. Learn more about these amendments and how they're applied.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Stevicus said:
Isn't it already illegal to trespass on someone else's property?
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One would think it’s illegal, yet squatters find loopholes. Someone has created a business removing squatters or teaching property owners how to remove illegal squatters. I read that squatters search real estate listing to find vacant homes, then move in .

americanmilitarynews.com

'Squatter hunter' takes down squatters invading Americans' homes

As squatters take advantage of liberal laws, a man known as "The Squatter Hunter" offers homeowners a new solution to fight back.
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In some cases the situation becomes tragic…

www.nbcnews.com

Teen squatters arrested after woman found dead in duffel bag in New York City apartment

The woman was identified as 52-year-old Nadia Vitel. Earlier this month, she went to check on her late mother’s Manhattan apartment, which the teenagers were unlawfully occupying, police said.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
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Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
In the news today...
www.dailymail.co.uk

LeBron James is 'very concerned' about squatters in nearby $5M home

The NBA star, 39, bought an extravagant $36.8 million mansion in Beverly Hills in 2022 before tearing it down to build his dream home.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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I've read about that house. From the article:

But he added that the current ownership of the home is uncertain, has been the subject of a bankruptcy court case, and that the home is entering foreclosure.

'I guess he left his friends in the house. I guess we can say they're squatters. But they're squatters to the owner that's in foreclosure to the bank,' Allen said.

'We're working on a plan with the bank to evict the individuals because there's no one at this point to evict them and say they're there illegally.

'I've submitted it to the City Attorney. I'm citing the home every time we get a radio call for a party.

'They're using the home outside of its original purpose, illegally.'

The mansion itself has a colorful ownership history.

A title report on the property reveals that it was previously owned by hip-hop mogul Damon Dash from 2003 to 2007.

The gated home on Beverly Grove Place was also owned by Dr. Munir Uwaydah, who fled the US in 2013 amid an investigation into the murder of his mistress, Maxim model Juliana Redding, and indictments for a multi-million-dollar health insurance fraud.
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It's interesting that, when it comes to cars, the police can immediately check the license plate number, or if need be, the Vehicle Identification Number. They can get immediate information regarding who holds the title and ownership of a car.

But with houses, it seems to be some sort of deep dark mystery. The owner of this house fled the country in 2013, so it's been in some kind of limbo for that length of time?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Revoltingest said:
And if you don't like libertarians....
www.pbs.org

Privacy & Property Rights | Rights | CONSTITUTION USA with Peter Sagal | PBS

The Bill of Rights offers protections, but their interpretation has varied over time. Learn more about these amendments and how they're applied.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
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The 4th, 5th and 14th Amendments protect property as a right. That isn't granting property as a right.
Say there is a doodad. You can have the doodad. But you aren't actually entitled to the doodad by default. This means you aren't granted ownership as a right amd must meet certain criteria.
But piggy-wiggly sees your doodad amd wants his own. But the central and highest law of the land says he cannot take it himself unless there are certain criteria to take legal possession of the doodad. The Constitution grants us this protection as a right. The two just are not the same thing.
And it was faulty of them to enact the Founding Fathers when speaking of acquiring property as a right as according to the Founding Fathers property wasn't a right but a requirement to vote. Thomas Jefferson included the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of property in an early draft, but the sentiment of "pursuit of property" wasn't shared by enough Founding Fathers to get into the final amd signed draft.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Stevicus said:
I've read about that house. From the article:



It's interesting that, when it comes to cars, the police can immediately check the license plate number, or if need be, the Vehicle Identification Number. They can get immediate information regarding who holds the title and ownership of a car.

But with houses, it seems to be some sort of deep dark mystery. The owner of this house fled the country in 2013, so it's been in some kind of limbo for that length of time?
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Cars can be in that situation. Actually just happened to my sister and a family friend who just got out from a 30 some year prison sentence, so he's not even touching it until the question of ownership is cleared up and it's known who legally possesses the title.
 
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