Gunshot wounds--leading cause of death for American children

[Kathryn]

TRUE STORY TIME:

One time, my mom reported to the courthouse for jury duty, but she had to go back to her car before she went through the metal detectors for something. While she was at the car, she realized she had a .22 in her purse! I have wished so many times that she had not had to go back to the car and that she had gotten arrested! What a great story that would have been!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They are kids when it suits the story.
In court of law 18 and 19 year old are considered adults.

But there is no real reason for that. A 20 year old isn't yet fully mature, but considered an adult and not a 17 year old, why? 17 no, 18, yes? There's hardly a difference between the two.

 

[Pogo]

How many mass shooting happen at..
1. Women's clothing shops
vs
2. Court houses.
vs
3. Schools

 

[We Never Know]

Yeah. I've been stopped for having California plates in New Mexico.
Where I live now, I shot of a quick text at a very long red light. Got pulled over. I figured I must have a light out.

A person is considered driving if they are on a public road. Red light or stop sign doesnt matter.
What are the laws about that there?

Nope. Texting. Checked my license, address wasn't updated yet so he ticketed me for that.

Pretty much the same in a lot of places. For example if you had a warrant, hard to find you if your address is wrong.
What are the laws about that there?

 

[We Never Know]

But there is no real reason for that. A 20 year old isn't yet fully mature, but considered an adult and not a 17 year old, why? 17 no, 18, yes? There's hardly a difference between the two.

Why is it illegal for you drink the day before you turn 21, but not on day you turned 21?
There's hardly a difference between the two.
What changed? Oh yeah, the laws.

 

[Pogo]

Yeah. I've been stopped for having California plates in New Mexico.
Where I live now, I shot of a quick text at a very long red light. Got pulled over. I figured I must have a light out. Nope. Texting. Checked my license, address wasn't updated yet so he ticketed me for that.

LOL, back when licenses were just paper, you could write on them, but does anybody do that now, you could have just written it in after the fact and seen if the cop showed up in court. probably not, and judge would have let it go since there was nobody to say it wasn't there when you were stopped.
Some things are just silly like the cop having to produce at every stop.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes it went over your head.

School have more shootings but are less protected.

Most school classes(when I was young) had one door in/out.

Get a gun in school, get to the class door and you control the narrative.
Its then like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How many mass shooting happen at..
1. Women's clothing shops
vs
2. Court houses.
vs
3. Schools

They happen almost everywhere, apparently.

Night Clubs
Movie theatres
Schools
Grocery Stores
Concerts
Churches
Restaurants
Forts
Beaches
Synagogues
Trains
Parks
Parking Lots
Political Rallies
Baseball Games
Splash Pads
Parades
Etc.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes it went over your head.

School have more shootings but are less protected.

Most school classes(when I was young) had one door in/out.

Get a gun in school, get to the class door and you control the narrative.
Its then like shooting fish in a barrel.

What I don't understand is why the active gunman procedure seems to be to hole up and hide in classrooms and just wait around for outside help that probably isn't coming, instead of like, immediately evacuating the building out the windows or something.

When I was a kid in school like, 35 years ago, our fire drill procedure was the get to the back of the classroom so we could start helping each other out the window.

 

[We Never Know]

What I don't understand is why the active gunman procedure seems to be to hole up and hide in classrooms and just wait around for outside help that probably isn't coming, instead of like, immediately evacuating the building out the windows or something.

Of most places you mentioned in your list, most people run and scatter. In school like you say, not so much. Not saying it would be better if they did

When I was a kid in school like, 35 years ago, our fire drill procedure was the get to the back of the classroom so we could start helping each other out the window.

TBH I dont remember fire drills, but what you mention probably wasn't for second floor classes.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of most places you mentioned in your list, most people run and scatter. In school like you say, not so much. Not saying it would be better if they did

It seems better than grouping together and waiting for the shooter to come find you.

TBH I dont remember fire drills, but what you mention probably wasn't for second floor classes.

The classrooms on the second floor had rope ladders in each classroom.

 

[We Never Know]

It seems better than grouping together and waiting for the shooter to come find you.

One would think. As I stated earlier, its like shooting fish in a barrel.

The classrooms on the second floor had rope ladders in each classroom.

After a little thought I do think first floor was out the window, second floor was line up and follow the teacher.

 

[SkepticThinker]

One would think. As I stated earlier, its like shooting fish in a barrel.

It sure seems that way.

After a little thought I do think first floor was out the window, second floor was line up and follow the teacher.

Seems like something of a better plan to me. More pro-active, at least.

 

[Pogo]

Yes it went over your head.

School have more shootings but are less protected.

Most school classes(when I was young) had one door in/out.

Get a gun in school, get to the class door and you control the narrative.
Its then like shooting fish in a barrel.

Not the point, Schools are not a place that we should expect to deal with violent or argumentative people any more than two women arguing over the last size x on the rack. As for access egress, unless you went to a school without fire doors, whenever that might have been, that is not the point either. There is a one room schoolhouse preserved on the lawn of the local 60+ year old elementary school with doors all over the place, even that 30x50 building has two doors and the Janitor used to go around and unlock all the doors first thing in the morning, even crash bars are new invention.

The problem is the proliferation of guns that are available to the emotionally unstable.

 

[We Never Know]

Schools are not a place that we should expect to deal with violent or argumentative people any more than two women arguing over the last size x on the rack.

In reality they are where it happens quite often.

That is the point.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A person is considered driving if they are on a public road. Red light or stop sign doesnt matter.
What are the laws about that there?

It's called priorities. Murders? Nope. Go after people using there phone atva red light and have them down before the light turns green.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why is it illegal for you drink the day before you turn 21, but not on day you turned 21?
There's hardly a difference between the two.
What changed? Oh yeah, the laws.

Which doesn't address my point.

 

[We Never Know]

Which doesn't address my point.

Sure it does. You just don't like it.

What changed/is different from being 17 years and 364 days old to being 18 years old? The laws.

What changed/is different from being 20 years and 364 days old to being 21 years old? The laws.

 

[We Never Know]

It's called priorities. Murders? Nope. Go after people using there phone atva red light and have them down before the light turns green.

Which doesn't address my question or point.

What are the laws?

 

[Pogo]

It's called priorities. Murders? Nope. Go after people using there phone atva red light and have them down before the light turns green.

Not to mention obstructing traffic while in the process.