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Heaven

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
cataway said:
because they fill the positions .they are invited to serve just as the apostles were asked to fallow Jesus. you were likely told since childhood you go to heaven. that was a lie .you now have to get past that lie,that long-held belief
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That is a teaching of your church, it is not in the Bible.
You have been brainwashed by your church.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
cataway said:
under stand to that the apostles did not know there would be a limit as to how many would be going to heaven. it could be Jesus did not know at that time
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There is no limit to how many people will go to heaven since heaven is limitless.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Balthazzar said:
What would heaven be like if everything you most enjoy in life isn't part of it? As a unique individual with personal tastes and preferences, the realization that these are not predominately shared by my root system, which stem from the bible is concerning. At least, they are sometimes shunned. Things such as sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and having an alcoholic beverage from time to time, and things like expressive sexuality. I thought these were the basics of human continuation and happiness. Why would I choose the opposite for myself?
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Because there is something better than that there?
 
cataway

cataway

Well-Known Member
muhammad_isa said:
I believe that our souls are eternal, and "of G-d" .. G-d knows best what happens to our souls after death.
A person with faith has hope in G-d's Mercy, and that they might enter paradise/heaven.
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you are a soul ,so ,yes there is a limit
 
cataway

cataway

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muhammad_isa said:
G-d is omniscient .. infinite.
G-d is aware of who will succeed and who won't.

The future is hidden from us, but for G-d, it is as if the future has already happened.
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oh you would like to think that, but, people have free will. and if he knew the number then that's all there could be .no more no less
 
ajay0

ajay0

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Balthazzar said:
What would heaven be like if everything you most enjoy in life isn't part of it? As a unique individual with personal tastes and preferences, the realization that these are not predominately shared by my root system, which stem from the bible is concerning. At least, they are sometimes shunned. Things such as sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and having an alcoholic beverage from time to time, and things like expressive sexuality. I thought these were the basics of human continuation and happiness. Why would I choose the opposite for myself?
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Conceptions and perception of pleasure lies in the eyes of the beholder. It can vary from person to person.

You might find this saying of Swami Vivekananda interesting...

An uncultured man loves the pleasures of the senses intensely; as he becomes cultured, he begins to love intellectual pleasures, and his sense-enjoyments become less and less. No man can enjoy a meal with the same gusto or pleasure as a dog or a wolf, but those pleasures which a man gets from intellectual experiences and achievements, the dog can never enjoy. At first, pleasure is in association with the lowest senses; but as soon as an animal reaches a higher plane of existence, the lower kind of pleasures becomes less intense .
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In human society, the nearer the man is to the animal, the stronger is his pleasure in the senses; and the higher and the more cultured the man is, the greater is his pleasure in intellectual and such other finer pursuits. So when a man gets even higher than the plane of the intellect, higher than that of mere thought, when he gets to the plane of spirituality and of divine inspiration, he finds there a state of bliss, compared with which all the pleasures of the senses, or even of the intellect, are as nothing.
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Yogananda in his book, 'The autobiography of a yogi' has talked about various dimensions related to heaven such as astral worlds and causal worlds and that there are degrees in enjoyment of heavenly pleasures in a spectrum of gross to subtle/refined, with those of the causal worlds considering the astral worlds inferior and gross.
 
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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
cataway said:
on the earth, there is no limit . so many that its referred to as a great crowd. even God does not yet know the number. Rev 7:9
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How would God know? They have yet not assembled before him. However, where did they get palm branches from?
 
Balthazzar

Balthazzar

N. Germanic Descent
ajay0 said:
Conceptions and perception of pleasure lies in the eyes of the beholder. It can vary from person to person.

You might find this saying of Swami Vivekananda interesting...





Yogananda in his book, 'The autobiography of a yogi' has talked about various dimensions related to heaven such as astral worlds and causal worlds and that there are degrees in enjoyment of heavenly pleasures in a spectrum of gross to subtle/refined, with those of the causal worlds considering the astral worlds inferior and gross.
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So, based on maturity the taste for pleasure changes from one age to another? From child to child, to young adult to young adult, then on to the well aged - 70's to end of life stages of human development. This appears to be the process you are alluding to.
 
Balthazzar

Balthazzar

N. Germanic Descent
Aupmanyav said:
What do they know? They made up all the things.
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Very likely more than we understand about what they knew and likely continue to know. On one hand you suggest God to be unable to count the numbers, which is in agreement with what they apparently "made up" and on the other you view it to be, umm ... untrue. My view is there is no way to count the numbers of life and life forms in the known universe, and more difficult still would be an ability to count the unknown or the yet to be's. I'll suggest it is a fair understanding of the truth in the matter.
 
cataway

cataway

Well-Known Member
Aupmanyav said:
How would God know? They have yet not assembled before him. However, where did they get palm branches from?
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no you dont understand. t the book Revelation is a book written in signs where things are symbolized . the waving of palm branches could mean victory, salvation
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
cataway said:
no you dont understand. The book Revelation is a book written in signs where things are symbolized . the waving of palm branches could mean victory, salvation
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Yeah, I do not understand. I am not a Christian, I am not even a theist. But I am trying to understand.
So, the multitude consisted only those who were given the pass. The others have already been sent to hell or their souls have been destroyed?
It is a victory celebration after the judgment.
 
cataway

cataway

Well-Known Member
Aupmanyav said:
Aupmanyav said:
Yeah, I do not understand. I am not a Christian, I am not even a theist. But I am trying to understand.
So, the multitude consisted only those who were given the pass. The others have already been sent to hell or their souls have been destroyed?
It is a victory celebration after the judgment.
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the vast majority of those that consider them selves to be christion donot understand The book Revelation
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