"Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

[Subduction Zone]

I was presuming 1984?

To be honest me too. I just get tired of these anti trans thread and thought some humor would help.

 

[Secret Chief]

To be honest me too. I just get tired of these anti trans thread and thought some humor would help.

Ah, sorry I missed that.

(Did Orwell write Moby Dick?)

 

[HonestJoe]

Tell that to JK Rowling. You might want to look into how extensive and dangerous cancel culture has become when, for example, you refuse to repeat the lie "a trans woman is a woman".

She wasn't criticised for refusing to say something as such, she was criticised for things she freely chose to say. It's essentially the same kind of thing the OP article is doing.

For what it's worth, I'm generally not a fan of "cancel culture" (in any direction), and I'll often criticise the logic of it (including refusing to have anything to do with anything linked to Harry Potter due to Rowling's political views), but people are still free to do so if they choose.

 

[Koldo]

I'm sorry, "her penis" is a lie. It's not nuanced or complex, it's a lie.

This article starts by relating one incident, but then refers to many more:

‘Her penis’ – the most Orwellian phrase of our age

You are feeling bothered by someone else's pronoun usage... I hope you realize that siding with this article instantly gets you into the anti-trans crowd.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

You are feeling bothered by someone else's pronoun usage... I hope you realize that siding with this article instantly gets you into the anti-trans crowd.

When the choice comes down to anti-trans or anti-child, I’m choosing anti-trans without remorse.

 

[Secret Chief]

When the choice comes down to anti-trans or anti-child, I’m choosing anti-trans without remorse.

I think the incident is not the point of contention - no-one would say that it was appropriate. The writer's apoplexy is directed at pronoun selection.

 

[Father Heathen]

Continuing, how does chaos feel to a child? Are you sure this should be irrelevant, those of you defending ideas like “her penis”?

When it comes to school shootings, healthcare, lunch programs, etc. conservatives dont give a **** about children, which makes it hilarious when they pull the "think of the children" card whenever they try to justify their dopey yokel bigotry.

 

[Koldo]

When the choice comes down to anti-trans or anti-child, I’m choosing anti-trans without remorse.

False dichotomy.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

When it comes to school shootings, healthcare, lunch programs, etc. conservatives dont give a **** about children, which makes it hilarious when they pull the "think of the children" card whenever they try to justify their dopey yokel bigotry.

I reject your frame of placing politics first and foremost.

Just because you don’t like the messenger, the think-of-the-children first and foremost (rather than your political party) are right.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

False dichotomy.

To believe they never conflict is denial.

 

[Father Heathen]

I reject your frame of placing politics first and foremost.

Just because you don’t like the messenger, the think-of-the-children first and foremost (rather than your political party) are right.

Your silly message is false dichotomy. The whole "think of the children" thing is a silly pretext.

 

[Father Heathen]

To believe they never conflict is denial.

Churches pose a far, far greater threat to children.

 

[McBell]

Do you think the perp in the article is somehow helping the trans community?

What does this have to do with the OP?

Do you think you defending this perp is somehow helping the trans community?

What does this have to do with the OP?

Did you even skim the article?

I read the article.
The author seems to be obsessed with the term "her penis".

 

[McBell]

When the choice comes down to anti-trans or anti-child, I’m choosing anti-trans without remorse.

Outside your own mind, when has it come down to anti-trans or anti-child?

 

[libre]

Why are we giving this thread oxygen

 

[Revoltingest]

What a repetitive train wreck this thread is.
I'd participate, but it's just kicking a guy
when he's already down. Such punishment
doesn't change anyone for the better.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Outside your own mind, when has it come down to anti-trans or anti-child?

I just explicitly said when it comes to introducing chaos into the social world, especially in environments where children are like schools.

Children are not blank slates and gender is a core aspect of the social world. I don’t want to overstate the amount of chaos being introduced to children through trans language, but it’s definitely happening.

 

[Tamino]

Anyway, I have no beef with trans women. I have a beef with the phrase "a trans woman is a woman".

"No beef with them" but denying them a core point of their identity ? I am not convinced...

So, what's a woman, then, by your definition?
Has two X chromosomes? Has an uterus? Can birth children? Has a certain level of estrogen?

Because I am sure you know that each of those points can be problematic...

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Churches pose a far, far greater threat to children.

Start a thread if you want. I’m not afraid to criticize churches.

 

[McBell]

I just explicitly said when it comes to introducing chaos into the social world, especially in environments where children are like schools.

Children are not blank slates and gender is a core aspect of the social world. I don’t want to overstate the amount of chaos being introduced to children through trans language, but it’s definitely happening.

So only in your and like minded mind?