namaskaram Kalyan ji
he can you know, I think you missed the point ratikala...Bhagawans mercy does not depend on any 'hethu'' or means like bhakti, he has unbridled independence
, That is the power of Krushna, just because you chanted hari name 1000 times a day does not mean he gives you anything, its not a business deal like other religions.
Prabhu ji what ever l say , you will not listen , prehaps you will listen to Sri Krsna himself , .....
advesta sarva-bhutanam
maitrah karuna eva ca
nirmamo nirahankarah
sama-duhkha-sukhah ksami
santustah satatam yogi
yatatma drdha-niscayah
mayy arpita-mano-buddhir
yo mad-bhaktah sa me priyah
One who is not envious but who is a kind friend to all living entities, who does not think himself a proprietor, who is free from false ego and equal both in happiness and distress, who is always satisfied and engaged in devotional service with determination and whose mind and intelligence are in agreement with Me-he is very dear to Me.
........Bhagavad Gita Ch ..12 V ..13-14
If you would like to debate on the generosity of the arguments, I would not like to get into a discussion, the arguments like why do we need a tilak when the manas is pure, why cant I eat non-veg when my manas is pure kind of arguments, your argument fall in this same category.
Sa:ra:nagathi needs to be done under an acharya who gives astakshari, it is the divine will of acharya that will remove the sanchita karma, not the mantram. This is the order of Sri Krushna.
No , I will not like to argue , ...I hope also that you wear Tilak as mark of respect to Visnu and that You do not eat meat out of Kindness to other living entities , ....
yasman nodvijate loko
lokan nodvijate ca yah
harsamarsa-bhayodvegair
mukto yah sa ca me priyah
He for whom no one is put into difficulty and who is not dirturbed by anxiety, who is steady in happiness and distress, is very dear to Me. .....Ch ..12 v ..15
You are saying surrender under chaitanya, I have already repeated that why do you want to approach someone who has not even a single work to begin with when there are so many established acharyas? Does not it seem illogical ? chaitanya is a british injection, no such a character was quoted by poorva acharya, and trying to establish his character by promoting false upanishads like chaitanya upanishad should ring you a bell. Any sane person would get this drama.
Why, ....out of love and deep gratitude , .....were it not for Sri Krsna Chaitanya and his movement of congregational chanting which has spread allover the world , ....I as a poor Britisher would have no oppertunity to become aquainted with Sanatana Dharma so what little Knowledge and devotion I have is entirely due to the mercy of Sri Chaitanya as it is he who inspired and instructed his own decilples to take this Congergational chanting to every country and every town , ....
You are mixing up terms like sa:ra:nagathi (Ramanuja sampradayam) with surrender (surrendering, a normal usage term) .......When you mention sa:ra:nagathi, you are using a term from and MENTIONED ONLY in Ramanuja sampradayam, so you should better not twist this word as you suit.
My most humble appologies if I offend you , ...I did not understand that Sri Ramanujaacharya Sampradaya has exclusive right to use saranagathi ??? .......to sanve confusion I shall in future use Saranam , .....as Saranam is particularly dear to me
"Sriman Narayana charanau saranam prapadye" ....''Sri Krsna saranam mama''...I do not see that there is difference , ....
