Holes in the trinity

[Walkntune]

Actually it's both. Christ has zero influence over us if we don't exercise faith.

Its better to lean on His faithfulness than your own. He is faithful even when you are not.God gave his greatest blessing to the unbelievers while they were yet sinners. His provision is not based on your faith but on his grace.Your faith only affects you walking in the blessing yet God will make it rain on the just and the unjust.

 

[Athan]

Were almost on the same page. I believe without God people always delude themselves.

We're all born with the light of Christ, so at least the unbelievers have that until they are ready to hear the truth.

 

[Athan]

Its better to lean on His faithfulness than your own. He is faithful even when you are not.

Christ's faith is perfected. It's better to let Him teach us how to perfect our own faith rather than depend on Him to do our thinking and living for us.

 

[Walkntune]

We're all born with the light of Christ, so at least the unbelievers have that until they are ready to hear the truth.

The goal is not to get the truth in us but to get the truth out of us as it has been written on our hearts.The truth is who we are in Christ and not what we have to do to be in Christ. Its because of what Christ has done.We can't get caught up in trying to "do" in order to "become" that which we already "are'. Because of Christ"I am".

 

[savagewind]

Romans 8:9 does not say that the Spirit of God literally resides within us. It's figuratively. Evil spirits do the literal residing.

I think I will never know why people assign more power and infuence to evil spirits than they do to God.

 

[Walkntune]

Christ's faith is perfected. It's better to let Him teach us how to perfect our own faith rather than depend on Him to do our thinking and living for us.

The trick of Satan is to get man to operate in his own Identity. He tried to tempt Jesus but saying if you be the son of God.... trying to get him to operate in his own identity instead of the fathers.

 

[savagewind]

Actually it's both. Christ has zero influence over us if we don't exercise faith.

I think you are exaggerating.
What about the scripture that says Christ is the head of every man? What does it mean to you?

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

 

[Athan]

I think I will never know why people assign more power and infuence to evil spirits than they do to God.

Because the darkness is more seductive; it appeals to the natural man.

 

[Athan]

I think you are exaggerating.

Good point. I'm quite certain He has stepped in when our tanks have been empty. Good call. But you understand my point: We certainly can't go far without exercising our own faith.

 

[Athan]

The trick of Satan is to get man to operate in his own Identity. He tried to tempt Jesus but saying if you be the son of God.... trying to get him to operate in his own identity instead of the fathers.

The real trick of Satan is telling the well intentioned that we are incapable of doing anything for ourselves, including exercising our own faith.

 

[Walkntune]

The real trick of Satan is telling the well intentioned that we are incapable of doing anything for ourselves, including exercising our own faith.

The fall in the garden was from Gods provisions into mans own self efforts of having to till the ground by the sweat of his brow. The tower of Babel was man trying to get to heaven in self efforts which God destroyed.Abraham applying self efforts to Gods promise of seed caused all of the dilema of the OT with the seed from the bond woman. Choose carefully whos yoke you walk in. yours or the yoke of Christ.

 

[Athan]

The goal is not to get the truth in us but to get the truth out of us as it has been written on our hearts.The truth is who we are in Christ and not what we have to do to be in Christ. Its because of what Christ has done.We can't get caught up in trying to "do" in order to "become" that which we already "are'. Because of Christ"I am".

The only "I am" that I am aware of Jesus Christ. "He is", because he died for us. "You are", not Jesus of Nazareth. "You are", however, a son of God, and "you must" keep His commandments in order to become like Him.

 

[savagewind]

The real trick of Satan is telling the well intentioned that we are incapable of doing anything for ourselves, including exercising our own faith.

Satan is telling some of the people we can not exercise our own faith. But on the other hand he is telling that by our own works in the flesh we will be saved.

The people who are leading others to disaster Satan has not said TO THEM that THEY are incapable. In fact Satan has said TO THEM that they are more than capable.

I am sorry. I have strayed off the topic. Satan made me do it. Blame him/it/whatever....

 

[savagewind]

The only "I am" that I am aware of Jesus Christ. "He is", because he died for us. "You are", not Jesus of Nazareth. "You are", however, a son of God, and "you must" keep His commandments in order to become like Him.

Did Jesus say you must fogive your brother seven times seventy seven times but God has no intention to forgive sins?

 

[Athan]

The fall in the garden was from Gods provisions into mans own self efforts of having to till the ground by the sweat of his brow. The tower of Babel was man trying to get to heaven in self efforts which God destroyed.Abraham applying self efforts to Gods promise of seed caused all of the dilema of the OT with the seed from the bond woman. Choose carefully whos yoke you walk in. yours or the yoke of Christ.

The fall of man, the Tower of Babel, and the mistakes of man, in general, are because of man's disobedience, not his obedience. We are still required to keep God's commandments. Be sure to do your part, and God will make up for the rest.

 

[Athan]

Did Jesus say you must fogive your brother seven times seventy seven times but God has no intention to forgive sins?

God forgives us of our sins when we repent.

 

[savagewind]

The fall of man, the Tower of Babel, and the mistakes of man, in general, are because of man's disobedience, not his obedience. We are still required to keep God's commandments. Be sure to do your part, and God will make up for the rest.

Keeping God's commandments and living for the will of God to do are diferent lifestyles, are they not?

Is all the accomplishments of the Kingdom of God due to obedience to commandments? How does my obeying the commandments help with the establishment of The Kingdom of God?

 

[savagewind]

God forgives us of our sins when we repent.

You say to obey God's commandments is the will of God. Then you say God forgives us when we repent. Those are almost opposites.

 

[Walkntune]

The fall of man, the Tower of Babel, and the mistakes of man, in general, are because of man's disobedience, not his obedience. We are still required to keep God's commandments. Be sure to do your part, and God will make up for the rest.

Two commandments you are required to keep which are impossible to keep are Love God with all of your heart mind and soul and your neighbor as your self. It is impossible to love without love and guess what? God is love.IN man it is impossible but with God all things are posible. Its not the repentence of sin that brings the goodness of the Lord but its the goodness of the Lord that brings repentence. He had to love us and accept us first in which he did. He loved us so much he would rather die than live without us.

 

[savagewind]

Two commandments you are required to keep which are impossible to keep are Love God with all of your heart mind and soul and your neighbor as your self. It is impossible to love without love and guess what? God is love.IN man it is impossible but with God all things are posible. Its not the repentence of sin that brings the goodness of the Lord but its the goodness of the Lord that brings repentence. He had to love us and accept us first in which he did. He loved us so much he would rather die than live without us.

I just want to say BRAVO!