I do not agree. God cannot sin. Who would forgive him (crosses self in a figurative way)
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I do not agree. God cannot sin. Who would forgive him (crosses self in a figurative way)
Walkntune
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Does not matter to sway you I suppose. Jesus only did and said what the father told him.When you saw Jesus you saw the father. Its not about us making God fit into our point of view but its about us surrendering our point of view to be in His. Our points of view do not matter.
I do not mind like many people mind going off topic and I know sometimes when postings come quick (they are usually slow) posts get buried never to be read so I will ask again this; when asking about obeying the commands of God the asker should say which commands because there are a very many of them. Which commands of God are you asking if I obey please?
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He would have said that if that were the case. If you love Him you will keep His commandments. They are co-dependent.
We love God because we keep His commandments. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
Well, they do matter. I have said Jesus does the will of the Father. He emptied himself of his own will to do (we can thank God for that I suppose) but it is not the same as being the same person.
Walkntune
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Outside of God you are in a deception and an illusion of a fall in the garden to try and become that which you were already created as.Man saw himself as naked but God already knew he was naked yet came and fellowshipped with him. We were in Christ before the foundation of the world and Sin only exists in a false ego but not in truth and reality.
Please answer this. Which commands are you asking about?
MMMMMM Huh? I think you just ran me over.
You said God has no limitations. I said God cannot sin. And then you said the above. Are we talking about the same thing?
I want you to ease up on the sarcasm. Especially when you can't take it after you dish it out.
That said, please answer the question. What commands are we to obey?
You mean there are some you refuse to follow?
Sound too much like: "I keep God's commandments because I'm already saved".
This is your post I missed. I am sorry. Threads do not move so fast usually. [this is an aside....if it sounds like sarcasm to you it does not make it so...it is possible you are mistaken)
We live for the will of God because we love God. We know God because Christ Jesus taught us well. That is all my opinion.
You have not yet answered what commandments you are referring to.
True and not so true. Anytime at all a person may have faith hope and God's charity. Keeping God's command means we share that with whomever we shall meet.
OK. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just please know it is just an opinion.
We live for the will of God because we love God. We know God because Christ Jesus taught us well. That is all my opinion.
You have not yet answered what commandments you are referring to.
True and not so true. Anytime at all a person may have faith hope and God's charity. Keeping God's command means we share that with whomever we shall meet.
OK. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just please know it is just an opinion.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
You are as you believe in your heart.You can see to believe or believe to see. If you have to see to believe then you will be dictated by reality as you try to see to react. If you believe to see than you will respond to belief although you dont yet see in reality. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. You must throw your heart over the bar first and then the body will follow. You must believe you are Saved in Christ first and then the actions will follow. If you try to look at works first to see if you are in Christ than you are putting your hand to the plow but looking back.We know we are desciples of Christ not because of our righteous works but because we have love one for another. Walking in Christ produces fruit, not works. Works are of the flesh but fruit is of the Spirit.
There are some you refuse to follow. No one can follow them all every time. Does it mean no one loves God? According to you it seems to mean it.
BlandOatmeal
Active Member
I think you've summed up Jesus' teaching. The rest of the Bible is simply an exposition of this:
Matt 22
[34] But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus said the second commandment was "like the first". The point is:
1 John 4
[17] Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
[18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
[19] We love him, because he first loved us.
[20] If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
[21] And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Those who have not accepted God's forgiveness through Jesus, live in constant fear of death:
Heb 2
[10] For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
[11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
[12] Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
[13] And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
[14] Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
[15] And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
True religion is really very simple. There are some, who understand that they are sinners yet want to please God. These gladly receive the grace of God offered to them in Jesus Christ.
There are others, who know they are sinners but are too proud to admit it to themselves. They reject God's freely-offered grace, then try to twist God's word to vindicate themselves. They don't want to please God and enter in through the gate; but wish to somehow be accepted in the sheepfold by entering in some other way. The rest of what they say is fancy religious balderdash, even from the atheists.
Whether or not one beieves in the Trinity or other doctrines, has little bearing on anything. Heaven will be filled with prostitutes, sinners, Mormons, Jews, Catholics and all manner of those who trust in Christ, regardless of their religion. God will judge them by their works, namely, by their love for Jesus' brethren, not by what they think they know.
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Walkntune
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Well said and very true! To do good or bad in one self is to still eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil but to trust in Christ and walk in his love is to eat from the tree of life!
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I couldn't agree more.