Holes in the trinity

[Athan]

But on the other hand he is telling that by our own works in the flesh we will be saved.

When we don't have the Spirit of God with us, yes. He is telling us to do it ourselves and leave God out of it.

The people who are leading others to disaster Satan has not said TO THEM that THEY are incapable. In fact Satan has said TO THEM that they are more than capable.

Satan tells us whatever he thinks will lead us away from keeping God's commandments.

 

[Walkntune]

The only "I am" that I am aware of Jesus Christ. "He is", because he died for us. "You are", not Jesus of Nazareth. "You are", however, a son of God, and "you must" keep His commandments in order to become like Him.

Im not trying to be like God. You see that was the deception in the garden. I chose to die to myself so Christ could live through me. I do not have to fulfill the laws to be like God. Jesus lives in me and has fulfilled the laws already. I just trust him.

 

[savagewind]

When we don't have the Spirit of God with us, yes. He is telling us to do it ourselves and leave God out of it.

Satan tells us whatever he thinks will lead us away from keeping God's commandments.

I'll blame you both since it seems you are joint culprits.

You should errase that last sentence for two reasons.
1. It's not funny
2. It's against a forum rule

Three reasons. 3. We are straying way off topic. I keep checking and yes, we are still posting on the trinity thread.

 

[savagewind]

Satan tells us whatever he thinks will lead us away from keeping God's commandments.

I don't know about that. There are many people believing it IS the commandments that lead to life but they obey different commandments.

 

[savagewind]

The commandments led to Jesus Christ. And we are way way off topic.

 

[Walkntune]

Truth is I believe it still ties in with the trinity because just as God is a trinity so is man. We have flesh(Jesus) a mind(father) and a spirit( holy spirit). We were created in his image.

 

[savagewind]

Truth is I believe it still ties in with the trinity because just as God is a trinity so is man. We have flesh(Jesus) a mind(Father) and a spirit( Holy Spirit). We were created in his image.

That is a good thought for my day. Thank you for sharing it.

I realize that God looks like three but God Is One. I have seen God and God is not Jesus.

 

[savagewind]

Saying Jesus is God is the same as saying God is God is salvation. God is a whole lot more than salvation.

 

[Walkntune]

That is a good thought for my day. Thank you for sharing it.

I realize that God looks like three but God Is One. I have seen God and God is not Jesus.

God has no identity. He is the "I am". Jesus is the flesh of man God dwelt in on earth. Jesus did no miracles until after the Spirit of God descended opon him. Thats when his ministry of miracles began.

 

[savagewind]

God has no identity. He is the "I am". Jesus is the flesh of man God dwelt in on earth. Jesus did no miracles until after the Spirit of God descended opon him. That's when his ministry of miracles began.

That is true imo also. Except that God's identity is real. God is Creator.

 

[savagewind]

Something with no identity cannot be worshipped.

Revelation 22:9 But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!"

Is this which was written wrong? If it is right, how is it possible if God has no identity?

 

[Walkntune]

That is true imo also. Except that God's identity is real. God is Creator.

Just understand that in Jesus the Godhead dwelt in fully. Col. 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

[Athan]

Keeping God's commandments and living for the will of God to do are diferent lifestyles, are they not?

No. Not in the least. We live for the will of God because we keep His commandments.

Is all the accomplishments of the Kingdom of God due to obedience to commandments?

Yes. If you love God, you keep His commandments. When you keep commandments you have faith, hope and charity.

How does my obeying the commandments help with the establishment of The Kingdom of God?

Because it shows God you are worthy to be in His presence. The kingdom of God is made up of obedient persons.

 

[Athan]

Im not trying to be like God. You see that was the deception in the garden. I chose to die to myself so Christ could live through me. I do not have to fulfill the laws to be like God. Jesus lives in me and has fulfilled the laws already. I just trust him.

Jesus stated that if we love Him, we must keep His commandments. I try to keep God's commandments because I love Him and he asked me to do so. Do you try to keep God's commandments?

 

[Walkntune]

Yes. If you love God, you keep His commandments. When you keep commandments you have faith, hope and charity.

Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments. The emphasis is on love and not keeping the commandments. If you say to your spouse if you love me you will be faithful, you dont go around trying to be faithful but you are keptfaithful by the love. Faith is not trying to do commandments so you can hold on to God but its actually trusting that God has you.His love is what keeps you standing upright and renews your mind and not your self efforts of commandments. No laws can come against love as it is a fruit of the spirit.

 

[savagewind]

Just understand that in Jesus the Godhead dwelt in fully. Col. 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

First of all I am not easily swayed by ONE WORD. Have you got anything else? Also I realize "bodily" might have been added to support the trinity. If it was ever proven it is what the writer wrote I would say it is possible he is wrong. He is a man. Do you have anything else?

 

[savagewind]

Jesus stated that if we love Him, we must keep His commandments. I try to keep God's commandments because I love Him and he asked me to do so. Do you try to keep God's commandments?

It is difficult to talk about obedience to the commandments of God. There are many. Which one or ones are you asking us about?

 

[Athan]

You should errase that last sentence for two reasons.
1. It's not funny

But you asking me to blame Satan is funny? I don't recall even cracking a smile over that one. Perhaps you were just provoking me and I took the bait. In any event, I'll erase it because it is not my intention to offend anyone.

3. We are straying way off topic. I keep checking and yes, we are still posting on the trinity thread.

My apologies. I wasn't aware that I was the reason you were unable to stay on topic. It's my fault.

 

[Walkntune]

Something with no identity cannot be worshipped.

Revelation 22:9 But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!"

Is this which was written wrong? If it is right, how is it possible if God has no identity?

An identity is a limitation. When Moses said who shall I say sent me God said tell them "I am" sent you.God has not limitations.

 

[savagewind]

But you asking me to blame Satan is funny? I don't recall even cracking a smile over that one. Perhaps you were just provoking me and I took the bait. In any event, I'll erase it because it is not my intention to offend anyone.

My apologies. I wasn't aware that I was the reason you were unable to stay on topic. It's my fault.

Do you want me to forgive you?