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[Brickjectivity]

Look how so many people trying to change around Jesus' difficult teachings to easy way to please the majority and politically correct way.

Jesus taught you have to learn to get along with other people whom you don't agree with, people that aren't like you. This is his 'yoke' which yokes you all together. You must pull together, and that is the point of having a yoke. He teaches you must forgive infinitely, but in exchange he sends the spirit of truth. Do not quench that spirit by refusing others over arguments. Trust that Jesus will do as he said, sending the holy spirit, unless you refuse his yoke.

Matthew 11:29-30 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

 

[Brickjectivity]

As for homosexuality, it is not the reason Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. (Ezekiel 16:49) Why are you not aware of this, you who have so much to say upon the subject? Why do you pretend to know things that you really don't bother to study about? Why do ministers build church congregational buildings while homeless children exist nearby? Is it so that they can preach against homosexuality? Then they have overlooked Ezekiel 16:49, just as you apparently have.

Nor is it clear from an honest review of scripture that homosexuality was ever declared as evil. Instead what we have are fragments left over from opposition to human trafficking which have been used to oppress homosexuals. What we have are centuries of separation between us and the writers of the Bible; so it has become necessary to study, to recover, to dig. It is this misunderstanding about the Bible and its opposition to human trafficking which are linked with its misapplication against homosexuals. We have people that are not used to the existence of homosexuality and embarrassed about their history of human trafficking.

Ezekiel 16:49 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.'

But wait...wasn't that the sin of the southern US states during the centuries of enslaving blacks? I live in North Carolina. Let me tell you that I have heard some terrible, terrible stories about the treatment of women and children here less than sixty years ago. All of it was justified through the twisting of the Bible from an anti-human trafficking book into a pro-human trafficking book; and it is out of that twisting which comes ignorance.

 

[Meshak]

Jesus taught you have to learn to get along with other people whom you don't agree with,

Jesus says if you love the world, the love of the Father is not in you.

He also says His followers are not of this world.

Jesus was not politically correct Christ, that's why He got killed.

You seem to distort Jesus for the sake of being popular.

Are you claiming to be a Christian? It is so unpopular to claim to be a Christian now a days. It is politically incorrect word in the US.

 

[Draka]

It is so unpopular to claim to be a Christian now a days. It is politically incorrect word in the US.

That is such a load of tripe. It is not unpopular to claim to be a Christian. Most people in the US do, in fact, claim to be such, so how could it be unpopular to do so? What is frowned upon is this "Christians are the victims" touting that goes on by some. This claim that Christians have it so hard and are discriminated against when they are merely dared to be subjected to being treated equal to everyone else. Now, of course, not all Christians make this absurd claim, however this is the nonsense that gets the :areyoucra reaction and may be deemed "unpopular" and "politically incorrect". Because let's face it, it just is incorrect.

 

[Meshak]

That is such a load of tripe. It is not unpopular to claim to be a Christian. Most people in the US do, in fact, claim to be such, so how could it be unpopular to do so? What is frowned upon is this "Christians are the victims" touting that goes on by some. This claim that Christians have it so hard and are discriminated against when they are merely dared to be subjected to being treated equal to everyone else. Now, of course, not all Christians make this absurd claim, however this is the nonsense that gets the :areyoucra reaction and may be deemed "unpopular" and "politically incorrect". Because let's face it, it just is incorrect.

Ok, thanks.

good day.

 

[ArcNinja]

Ok, thanks.

good day.

Which is just your way of saying that you lost that argument.

Christianity is the norm. People of other religions and atheists are the ones who are persecuted.

 

[Brickjectivity]

• Jesus says if you love the world, the love of the Father is not in you.

  "For God so loved the world..." (John 3:16) Remember that one? It is all in how you interpret 'World' for the given scripture. I have given everything for Jesus, and I have even given up careers, relationships and other opportunities. I'm accredited, and when I say you are to the 'Right' of the narrow gate, it is not without Bible verses. Its not without life investment, pain and trouble or without concern for you.

• He also says His followers are not of this world.

  'Age' His followers are not of this 'Age'. They are ahead of their time, better than. In other words when other people are knee deep in slaves, Jesus followers are protesting against it. When poverty is around they are doing something about stopping it.

• Jesus was not politically correct Christ, that's why He got killed.

  (Hebrews 5:7) During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

• You seem to distort Jesus for the sake of being popular.

  You seem to be taking the same attitude as David's brothers who assumed he was an arrogant show off. (I Samuel 17:28)

• Are you claiming to be a Christian? It is so unpopular to claim to be a Christian now a days. It is politically incorrect word in the US.

  (Proverbs 27:1-2) Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring. Let someone else praise you, and not your own mouth; an outsider, and not your own lips.

 

[Draka]

Which is just your way of saying that you lost that argument.

Christianity is the norm. People of other religions and atheists are the ones who are persecuted.

I get the "good day" response to pretty much every post I make to her now. I really should just sit back and take it as admission of having absolutely no response to my points and that she admits losing the argument to me. :beach:

 

[JustWondering2]

I get the "good day" response to pretty much every post I make to her now. I really should just sit back and take it as admission of having absolutely no response to my points and that she admits losing the argument to me. :beach:

IMO She like many others would have to admit they (and they're book) might be wrong if they admitted defeat! That will never happen!

 

[dgirl1986]

Jesus said His followers are not of this world, He also said let the dead bury their own dead. This world is dead to Jesus and politics are of this world. His followers should not get involved with politics.

I notice you don't use any verses when you profess to speak about the teachings of Jesus. Interesting...

 

[dgirl1986]

You seem to twist His word big time, friend.

Maybe you don't know the teachings as well as you think, considering he is actually quoted as saying that in one of the gospels in the NT

 

[Meshak]

Maybe you don't know the teachings as well as you think, considering he is actually quoted as saying that in one of the gospels in the NT

Ok thanks,

good day.

 

[Me Myself]

I did not say it is new teaching. It is Jesus' teaching.

Look how so many people trying to change around Jesus' difficult teachings to easy way to please the majority and politically correct way.

I assume it is very difficult for you to imagine that your book is not more special than all the other religious books,

Or Harry Potter.

 

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[Brickjectivity]

Christianity is the norm. People of other religions and atheists are the ones who are persecuted.

You really think so? I'm not so sure. I've caught plenty of flak for being a non-athiest on several jobs. 1. Construction 2. Tech Support Rep 3. Office Clerk 4. Sales Monkey

and I was never the type to tell others what to do or think.

 

[Monotheist 101]

I have nothing against homosexuality or homosexuals, a lot of the quirkiest personalities I have met have been prone to swing both ways. That being said I am certain that I am straight and have tested this theory out in my teens.

I am ashamed to admit I recieved oral sex from some drunk dude at a bar, I threw up immediatly after, again on the way home, and a few times before I fell asleep. That plus the fact that my body releases this natural viagra when in the presence of big tatas, I have come to the conclusion that I am certainly not Gay.

On a personal level I believe what people decide to do with their time is non of my business. We should be more concerned by what we do with our own time instead of wasting it pointing fingers.

It just isn't right for me or does not add up to my world view. I have pondered deeply about the purpose of my life, one thing that I am certain of is.. reproduction. I have also had a strange interest in the occult, I have come across a few Occultists like Alestair Crowley who claims in his diary that the easiest way to conjure demons even easier than altering his state of mind by using drugs etc, was when he recieved anal sex, He said it was like he had found a shortcut to conjurations. This may sound like superstitious gibberish to people who do not understand or believe in the super natural, I have no interest in convincing you, just that if you have heard of Alestair Crowley and who he was look into this, what did he mean?

I am not Gay, the last thing I want would be my kids to be Gay. I am not bashing on homosexuals, to each his own but it is something that in my opinion does not bring me closer to God or have any benefit or serve a purpose. I don't say this because I am Muslim or what opinions Muslim Scholars hold on the subject.

The smartest thing I can come up if I were to address the entire Gay population of the world would be:
Our time is limited, Do what you want with it, Don't care about the Gay bashers, they are inhumane c**nts. Keep it up!

If I were to address the entire Gay Bashing Population of the word, my smartest words to them would be:
Why waste your time concerning yourselves with what others are doing? Have you no life? Why waste time on such a simple issue, It is a 'problem" (thats what they see it as) that solves itself, Gay people donot have Gay children. Why are you idiots so worried, If God has forbidden it, let him be the judge

 

[Brickjectivity]

I have also had a strange interest in the occult, I have come across a few Occultists like Alestair Crowley .... This may sound like superstitious gibberish to people who do not understand or believe in the super natural, I have no interest in convincing you, just that if you have heard of Alestair Crowley and who he was look into this, what did he mean?

The bottom line is that demons have nothing to do with whatever Crowley might have said that they had to do with. It was all a show and an alarm. Think of demons as the punchline to his joke. He was in showbiz, and he made a living by drumming up a mysterious feeling in the people around him. People like that sometimes.

Monotheist, the modern the scientific discovery of hypnosis happened in Europe mid-19th century. The resulting journal articles about how to hypnotize are available, and a century old book about it is free on google books. Ministers and imams both sometimes like to use the techniques therein, for they are potent. In addition to hypnotic techniques, all public speakers are trained in various motivational techniques.

I grew up in a Charismatic church that had demonic expulsions which looked very similar to ones you see on youtube where a Quran is read out loud to a so-called 'Demon' to drive it out. Its sad, but ministers (including imams apparently) will sometimes feed garbage to their own flock. They'll pull all kinds of stunts. Hey, wouldn't you if you had people treating you like a prophet? It can go to your head.

 

[ArcNinja]

You really think so? I'm not so sure. I've caught plenty of flak for being a non-athiest on several jobs. 1. Construction 2. Tech Support Rep 3. Office Clerk 4. Sales Monkey

and I was never the type to tell others what to do or think.

Atheists are the most mistrusted group in America. No one wants an atheist president. No one wants an atheist teaching their children. No one wants their kid to grow up to be an atheist. Those are all popular opinions in America.

 

[Monotheist 101]

The bottom line is that demons have nothing to do with whatever Crowley might have said that they had to do with. It was all a show and an alarm. Think of demons as the punchline to his joke. He was in showbiz, and he made a living by drumming up a mysterious feeling in the people around him. People like that sometimes.

Monotheist, the modern the scientific discovery of hypnosis happened in Europe mid-19th century. The resulting journal articles about how to hypnotize are available, and a century old book about it is free on google books. Ministers and imams both sometimes like to use the techniques therein, for they are potent. In addition to hypnotic techniques, all public speakers are trained in various motivational techniques.

I grew up in a Charismatic church that had demonic expulsions which looked very similar to ones you see on youtube where a Quran is read out loud to a so-called 'Demon' to drive it out. Its sad, but ministers (including imams apparently) will sometimes feed garbage to their own flock. They'll pull all kinds of stunts. Hey, wouldn't you if you had people treating you like a prophet? It can go to your head.

I agree with what your saying about Imams and Ministers using these techniques, but if you think it is only hypnosis than you are mistaken..I too was very skeptical of such supernatural phenomena but a few things that I have experienced over the past couple of years are proof enough for me to believe, again these are personal experiences which we might not be able to replicate. I have no interest in Magick or all that garbage, but the expulsion videos you talk about on youtube, most of them are garbage but some of them are exactly what happened to my friend in front of a large group of people with different world views...it really changed my perspective and I have looked into it. You can PM if you want a more detailed account of the incident.

I appreciate your insight

Cheers


P.S it is not just the Quran that is read out there are relevant verses which provide different remedies. The most powerful verse that I have come across in dealing with the Jinn (Demon/Genie) translates to the following:

Quran 02.102 : And follow that which the devils falsely related against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic and that which was revealed to the two angels in Babel, Harut and Marut. Nor did they (the two angels) teach it to anyone till they had said: We are only a temptation, therefore disbelieve not (in the guidance of Allah). And from these two (angles) people learn that by which they cause division between man and wife; but they injure thereby no-one save by Allah's leave. And they learn that which harmeth them and profiteth them not. And surely they do know that he who trafficketh therein will have no (happy) portion in the Hereafter; and surely evil is the price for which they sell their souls, if they but knew.