homosexual

[allright]

You claim to speak for Jesus.
And in doing so, you make many assumptions.
Some of said assumptions undermine your self proclaimed authority.
Interestingly enough, you have failed to explain why you think your way is the only way outside your empty claim to speak for Jesus.
Now if you are fine with merely making empty claims based on your assumptions...

Very good double talk to avoid the truth. What happened. You said all you wanted was a yes or no answer Well you got it

 

[JustWondering2]

You want a love that excuses evil, God offers a love that forgives a person if hes willing to repent.
Why should he forgive those who want evil and dont want to repent.

I do not claim or have any authority or say on who goes to Heaven. I only proclaim what Jesus said (who has all authority in Heaven and on earth)

And by saying this is what Jesus actually said, on what authority do you claim to know "EXACTLY" what he did or did not say? Please tell me which books were on your authority actually written by Jesus? While your at it please explain to me why you think your book that you base your ASSUMPION on is the 100% inerrant words of God?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I do not claim or have any authority or say on who goes to Heaven. I only proclaim what Jesus said (who has all authority in Heaven and on earth)

Why do you think that Jesus opposed homosexuality?

I don't remember him ever discussing it.

He did instruct us to love our neighbors, though, so....

 

[McBell]

Very good double talk to avoid the truth. What happened. You said all you wanted was a yes or no answer Well you got it

You seem to have me confused with another member.
No worries.
Happens all the time.

 

[JustWondering2]

To allright:

OBTW that was my yes or no question! DUH

 

[Monotheist 101]

Why do you think that Jesus opposed homosexuality?

I don't remember him ever discussing it.

He did instruct us to love our neighbors, though, so....

Exactly..Love your neighbor..Love the homosexual..Dont be the homosexual (thats your personal choice )..they have a right to do whatever....let God be the Judge..if you believe in him..

The moment we start pointing fingers is when we have failed to understand the message..of any religion..

 

[Monotheist 101]

You seem to have me confused with another member.
No worries.
Happens all the time.

Probably because you are unoriginal..the same..closed your ears before you even tried to listen to what was said,

If you look at it from a neutral point of view..the basics of any religion are about promoting good morals..Your Hatred of God and your failure to grasp and understand what faith is..makes you overlook the fact that..these religious folk..arent only blindly believing in a God..rather trying to make themselves better people through that belief..

Your so stuck on finding proof for God that you fail to see whats more important..Being a good person..or disrespecting anything and anyone who doesnt agree with your view of the world.

[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]2.1[/SIZE]8. They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).

[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]2.171. And the example of those who disbelieve, is as that of him who shouts to the (flock of sheep) that hears nothing but calls and cries. (They are) deaf, dumb and blind. So they do not understand.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]

5.71. They thought there will be no Fitnah (trial or punishment), so they became blind and deaf; after that Allah turned to them (with Forgiveness); yet again many of them became blind and deaf. And Allah is the All-Seer of what they do.

41.44. And if We had sent this as a Qur'an in a foreign language other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its Verses explained in detail (in our language)? What! (A Book) not in Arabic and (the Messenger) an Arab?" Say: "It is for those who believe, a guide and a healing. And as for those who disbelieve, there is heaviness (deafness) in their ears, and it (the Qur'an) is blindness for them. They are those who are called from a place far away (so they neither listen nor understand).

41.5. And they say: "Our hearts are under coverings (screened) from that to which you invite us, and in our ears is deafness, and between us and you is a screen, so work you (on your way); verily, we are working (on our way)."

 

[McBell]

Probably because you are unoriginal..the same..closed your ears before you even tried to listen to what was said,

If you look at it from a neutral point of view..the basics of any religion are about promoting good morals..Your Hatred of God and your failure to grasp and understand what faith is..makes you overlook the fact that..these religious folk..arent only blindly believing in a God..rather trying to make themselves better people through that belief..

Your so stuck on finding proof for God that you fail to see whats more important..Being a good person..or disrespecting anything and anyone who doesnt agree with your view of the world.

[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]2.1[/SIZE]8. They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).

[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]2.171. And the example of those who disbelieve, is as that of him who shouts to the (flock of sheep) that hears nothing but calls and cries. (They are) deaf, dumb and blind. So they do not understand.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]

5.71. They thought there will be no Fitnah (trial or punishment), so they became blind and deaf; after that Allah turned to them (with Forgiveness); yet again many of them became blind and deaf. And Allah is the All-Seer of what they do.

41.44. And if We had sent this as a Qur'an in a foreign language other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its Verses explained in detail (in our language)? What! (A Book) not in Arabic and (the Messenger) an Arab?" Say: "It is for those who believe, a guide and a healing. And as for those who disbelieve, there is heaviness (deafness) in their ears, and it (the Qur'an) is blindness for them. They are those who are called from a place far away (so they neither listen nor understand).

41.5. And they say: "Our hearts are under coverings (screened) from that to which you invite us, and in our ears is deafness, and between us and you is a screen, so work you (on your way); verily, we are working (on our way)."

Ah yes, more flat out lies, falsehoods, assumptions, preaching, and best of all, empty threats.

Sad really.

 

[Monotheist 101]

Sad really.

For you maybe

You still fail to give it a chance or look into it..why judge a book by its cover?

That to me is Very Sad indeed..



I didnt threaten you at all..define threat...Ive qouted from a Book which I believe is divinely revealed...it isnt threatening you..rather explaining the state of your heart and mind..

 

[McBell]

For you maybe

You still fail to give it a chance or look into it..why judge a book by its cover?

That to me is Very Sad indeed..



I didnt threaten you at all..define threat...Ive qouted from a Book which I believe is divinely revealed...it isnt threatening you..rather explaining the state of your heart and mind..

As long as you are more interested in telling others what they think and believe instead of actually learning what they think and believe you will always fall into the same self defeating trap.

 

[allright]

AmbiguousGuy;3276908]Why do you think that Jesus opposed homosexuality?

Its sin as is any sex outside marriage

I don't remember him ever discussing it.

There is all kinds of sin Jesus never spoke off in the Gospels

He did instruct us to love our neighbors, though, so.

Loving your neighbor includes telling him the truth so he can be saved Jesus said "the world hates me because I testify that its works are evil"

Jesus never forced anyone to follow him. Everyone has to chose.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A question; why should I follow Jesus, or Allah, when I use to follow Jesus and I was miserable and filled with self hate because I was constantly being told who I am is wrong?

Loving your neighbor includes telling him the truth so he can be saved Jesus said "the world hates me because I testify that its works are evil"

He also said judge not.

 

[Breathe]

Yeah, He's a little troubled with OCDism. You should see His toothbrushing routine.

A God after my own heart.

 

[Monotheist 101]

As long as you are more interested in telling others what they think and believe instead of actually learning what they think and believe you will always fall into the same self defeating trap.

I have no interest in changing or influencing what you believe..I am interested in openly discussing my beliefs..with people who read what is said..before they make up their mind..Your hatred of God, makes you hate me for believing in him..Honestly I couldnt care less what you believe or do..that being said I dont hate you..You are the same as me..in my eyes every humanbeing disbeliver or believer black or white is the same..When you wrongly claim something you have no understanding of, I will defend my POV..

You act like a smart *** with people of any faith..you think your rejection of God makes you superior..it shows in your posts..that my friend.. is where racism stems from. If rejecting God will make me into a Hater like you..towards people of faith..I dont want to do it..Thats my choice..you have yours..but please stop acting superior because "YOU" think "YOU" made the right choice..

How will we ever understand eachother..when we are not even willing to listen to what the other is saying..you fail to look at the concept of God with duality..there are always two sides to a story..how will you truly understand what another is saying/feeling if you arent even willing to try on their shoes..may be you dont want to understand anothers perspective and your purpose on this forum is trolling around hating on believers of any faith..Youve already made up your mind and you mock anyone with faith...

There is no compulsion on my side..but the way I was raised a smart-*** needs to be put in his place...Whats more important on these forums..having discussion about peoples beliefs..or simply saying your wrong im right..what good does that do for anyone..

I dont think I will reply to your posts anymore..every word you type oozes disrespect/superiority/Hatred...towards people of any faith...demonstrates how close minded you are..sorry to burst your bubble..your not as smart as you think..A child who is open to new ideas is smarter than you..you make a one sided decision and think everyone is stupid for not seeing what you see..how different is that from a person who blindly follows a faith and isnt even willing to look at the otherside..

Peace and God Bless

 

[Brickjectivity]

No Jesus said his way is the only way. Your war is with him, you want to make me the issue.

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."

Allright, do you know what Jesus means?

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Allright, do you know what Jesus means?

Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebul.

Allright, can you harmonize the meaning of all these verses?

"Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

Allright, have you understood these things?

At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

How about that one?

He answered, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

What about that one?

"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed—or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."

Have you pondered this verse much?

An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest.....Then he said to them, "Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me;

I'm trying to tell you, Allright, in order to save you. You are persecuting children and beating your 'Fellow servants'. It is you whose war is with Jesus.

 

[Monotheist 101]

A question; why should I follow Jesus, or Allah, when I use to follow Jesus and I was miserable and filled with self hate because I was constantly being told who I am is wrong?


He also said judge not.

IMO Jesus never preached that he was God...these are lies fed to the christians by their Priests and Churches each with underlying agendas..

I think Jesus preached about the same Father(Allah/Yahweh) that Muhammad and Moses preached about..will you let a poisoned doctrine(IMO) make you lose hope in all religion?.. I wasnt Muslim till I had picked up every religion I could get my Hands on and make an informed decision..that being said I never had a problem believing in a God, I have always been content with my faith in a True Creator..

My advice to you is that..anyone who does anything to hurt you emotionally or otherwise, based on your beliefs or your sexuality is a bad person..and you should steer clear..the righteous dont point out whos wrong..the self-righteous do..

That being said..My views on homosexuality are firstly based on my personal experiences and perception..my understanding of the purpose of life..reproduction..secondly because I have proven to "myself" that the Quran is the literal word of God (check for authenticity and how it has been passed down..not in writing but in the hearts of the believers)..I place great importance in its lessons...another reason my opinion on a personal level (even though Im a bit gay sometimes) is that it is not favourable is because I am interested in the occult...and am open to "unseen" concepts (I dont let stern views set in stone, discourage me from making use of my imagination), In my findings, as I said earlier I have found to conjure demons you need to distance yourself from morality.(eating excrement, eating and drinking human flesh and blood, sexual depravity etc).and have found having homosexual intercourse (consentual or not) speedens up the process of conjuring these evil entities..I have never had a problem adding 2 plus 2...all the evidence (personal research, no interest in prooving those who donot understand that their is more intelligent life on this earth..we look for aliens or E.T..why is it so hard to believe something exists on this planet?) points towards the "act" of homosexual intercourse not "having gay feelings" is morally wrong....This is my perception I donot mean to outright say I am 100% correct and there isnt even a slight possibility that I have made a mistake..It makes sense to me on a personal level..

Yeh and the underlying fact that what other purpose does homosexual intercourse serve other than fulfilling my lustful desires..in my books everything must have a purpose..

 

[MysticSang'ha]

IMO Jesus never preached that he was God...these are lies fed to the christians by their Priests and Churches each with underlying agendas..

I think Jesus preached about the same Father(Allah/Yahweh) that Muhammad and Moses preached about..will you let a poisoned doctrine(IMO) make you lose hope in all religion?.. I wasnt Muslim till I had picked up every religion I could get my Hands on and make an informed decision..that being said I never had a problem believing in a God, I have always been content with my faith in a True Creator..

My advice to you is that..anyone who does anything to hurt you emotionally or otherwise, based on your beliefs or your sexuality is a bad person..and you should steer clear..the righteous dont point out whos wrong..the self-righteous do..

That being said..My views on homosexuality are firstly based on my personal experiences and perception..my understanding of the purpose of life..reproduction..secondly because I have proven to "myself" that the Quran is the literal word of God (check for authenticity and how it has been passed down..not in writing but in the hearts of the believers)..I place great importance in its lessons...another reason my opinion on a personal level (even though Im a bit gay sometimes) is that it is not favourable is because I am interested in the occult...and am open to "unseen" concepts (I dont let stern views set in stone, discourage me from making use of my imagination), In my findings, as I said earlier I have found to conjure demons you need to distance yourself from morality.(eating excrement, eating and drinking human flesh and blood, sexual depravity etc).and have found having homosexual intercourse (consentual or not) speedens up the process of conjuring these evil entities..I have never had a problem adding 2 plus 2...all the evidence (personal research, no interest in prooving those who donot understand that their is more intelligent life on this earth..we look for aliens or E.T..why is it so hard to believe something exists on this planet?) points towards the "act" of homosexual intercourse not "having gay feelings" is morally wrong....This is my perception I donot mean to outright say I am 100% correct and there isnt even a slight possibility that I have made a mistake..It makes sense to me on a personal level..

Yeh and the underlying fact that what other purpose does homosexual intercourse serve other than fulfilling my lustful desires..in my books everything must have a purpose..

Why don't you ask actual, living, breathing gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered if since pursuing same sex relationships if the level of evil has increased in their lives? And why does any discussion of same sex relationships automatically jump to anal intercourse as a description of these relationships are all about?

So....HEY! BISEXUAL WOMAN RIGHT HERE!! Ask me how my life has been since I accepted my orientation 20 years ago. And ask me what life was like BEFORE I accepted my orientation when I was trying to pray myself straight.

 

[Secret Chief]

I imagine your life is full of unimaginable evil.

Am I right or am I right?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I imagine your life is full of unimaginable evil.

Am I right or am I right?

How can you imagine something that's unimaginable?

 

[Secret Chief]

How can you imagine something that's unimaginable?

It's hard work and I get kind of sweaty, but I manage it....