Homosexuality and religious.

[CG Didymus]

Thanks very much for these quotes. I found the first one but couldn’t find the other one. I think it’s like a 6th sense that humans have to be able to recognise the Prophets of God.

More people have recognized the founder and prophet of the Ahmadiyya than Baha'u'llah. Since Baha'is don't believe his claims to be the Mahdi, then what happened to the 6th sense of those people? It is obvious, lots of people like religion. They like spiritual things, and they seek them out. But they come to believe in all sorts of things and religions.

 

[Dawnofhope]

There needs to be clarity here.

A heterosexual couple living together under the laws of the land and then come Baha'i are seen to be already married.

Regards Tony

Hi Tony, I was referring to unmarried heterosexual couples living together who become Baha'is. Of course there is no issue with heterosexual married couples becoming Baha'is.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes. There is no difference in the treatment of gay couples and heterosexual unmarried couples cohabiting As both are flagrantly and publically breaking Baha'i laws, it forces the assembly to act.

That's if they find out about it. I could have a man living in my house and they'd never know. Nobody would ever know given the location of my property and house.... The most hidden of the hidden. Nobody ever comes in and nobody ever goes out, except me once a week for groceries and mail...

I hope you can see what this thread is doing to me.

 

[CG Didymus]

No one forces anyone to join our religion. If people don’t like it’s laws then don’t join. Simple as that. Why join a religion you are against. It’s common sense not to join.

But people did join. Now what?

 

[Dawnofhope]

That's if they find out about it. I could have a man living in my house and they'd never know. Nobody would ever know given the location of my property and house.... The most hidden of the hidden. Nobody ever comes in and nobody ever goes out, except me once a week for groceries and mail...

I hope you can see what this thread is doing to me.

I think this thread is driving you nuts and everyone else too!

 

[Trailblazer]

A heterosexual couple living together under the laws of the land and then come Baha'i are seen to be already married.

Do you mean a common-law marriage?

 

[Trailblazer]

I think this thread is driving you nuts and everyone else too!

Glad to know I am not alone....
God knows I am alone in this big house surrounded by trees at the end of the road, literally.

 

[CG Didymus]

Most folks aren't against the religion in its entirety, just some of it's policies or dogma.

And why have some sects of most all religions changed their dogmas and beliefs about homosexuality? It was the pressure from people that challenged the beliefs. The Bible and the NT is clearly against homosexuality, yet some Christian sects changed their beliefs. Will the Baha'i Faith?

We're already hearing Baha'is saying, "if they don't like the law, don't join." One little law written at a time where most "normal" people in society hated homosexuals. Times have changed.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Glad to know I am not alone....
God knows I am alone in this big house surrounded by trees at the end of the road, literally.

Hey Susan, really sorry to hear your husband passed away recently. I can’t imagine being married and living with someone so long then suddenly being alone.

 

[CG Didymus]

To be clearer CG, God does not hate, but does set standards for us, if we trangress, we are wrong.

God can change any laws, so what was once wrong is now right.

Regards Tony

(T)hings God hates:

• Bowing to any deity other than Him
• Worshipping any graven image or concept instead of God
• Taking His name in vain.
• Forgetting the Sabbath Day
• Disrespecting your parents
• Murder
• Adultery
• Thievery
• Lying to defame another’s a good name
• Desiring what others have

 

[Trailblazer]

Hey Susan, really sorry to hear your husband passed away recently. I can’t imagine being married and living with someone so long then suddenly being alone.

Thanks. No, I don't think anyone can imagine it unless it happens to them. I am like a sinking ship doing everything I can to stay afloat.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Do you mean a common-law marriage?

Recognised defacto relationships, maybe you do not have them in America?

https://www.fcfcoa.gov.au/fl/pubs/defacto#:~:text=What is a de facto,on a genuine domestic basis.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thanks. No, I don't think anyone can imagine it unless it happens to them. I am like a sinking ship doing everything I can to stay afloat.

You know we wish you all the best and as much happiness you can muster.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

The Quran does not approve of homosexuality male or female. (mutatis mutandis)

Sura 7:81

Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."


Abdul-Baha said that shariah laws are mostly not taken from the Quran but devised by Mullas or Imams and so are not representative of God’s laws. So killing of homosexuals is not approved by God nor in the Quran. It is a man made law that can be changed because the Quran only disapproves of it but does not mention any punishment so homosexuals should not be killed.

Thanks. But God did approve of killing them in the Bible.

 

[CG Didymus]

At the time nothing because I still didn’t know much about the Faith. But they allowed me to stay with them for months and provided food and accomodation. They told their gay friends I was not gay so to leave me alone. Awesome people.

Do you still keep in contact with them?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

(T)hings God hates:

• Bowing to any deity other than Him
• Worshipping any graven image or concept instead of God
• Taking His name in vain.
• Forgetting the Sabbath Day
• Disrespecting your parents
• Murder
• Adultery
• Thievery
• Lying to defame another’s a good name
• Desiring what others have

So? You look up if other people see God hates and post that?

So if one wants to know what God says about hate, here are some quotes. If we are warned against hate, one must conclude God does not Hate, but gives laws for us to Love.

Hatred | Bahá’í Quotes

I gather you are talking about the possible positive side of hate, to which I remember a thread some time ago?

Hate is not a good word thought.

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

Thanks. No, I don't think anyone can imagine it unless it happens to them. I am like a sinking ship doing everything I can to stay afloat.

I know you tend to avoid to much community and in person social interactions and I understand a little of why you do that.

Have you considered moving?

 

[Dawnofhope]

Do you still keep in contact with them?

Its kinda of a long time ago...like 3,500 years. I think we've all moved on

 

[Trailblazer]

I know you tend to avoid to much community and in person social interactions and I understand a little of why you do that.

I am in no mood to socialize in person right now, or even attend the Zoom meetings the Baha's have all the time. This forum is the safest place for me to be right now. I am still working full time from home so that gives me some interaction with people via Teams meetings and e-mails.

Have you considered moving?

No, that would be a monstrous undertaking. I have a reason to believe I might not be alone that much longer so there is no rush to move. @Truthseeker knows all about the saga but I am not making it public right now.

 

[CG Didymus]

I think this thread is driving you nuts and everyone else too!

It's your religion. It has a belief and a law that can't be changed, that lots of people today don't believe is right. Baha'is are very supportive of so many of the changes going on in society, but to let gays be gays and to let them get married isn't one of them. Is it society that is wrong or the Baha'i Faith? From your perspective it is us, the "liberal", decadent, society that has gone too far with their lusts and passions.