It seems the atheists are doing vastly better with morals than religious followers, so perhaps being on our own is superior.
Agreed, although I think you mean non-Abrahamics. And the difference is the absence of faith-based thinking in humanist thought. These Baha'i would be as decent as any humanist if they weren't committed to belief by faith in morally flawed words.
What the non-Baha'i are doing in this thread is sticking up for a minority that gets discriminated against [snip] I'm not an atheist, I'm a Hindu. My God loves everyone. Hinduism is open to all, including gays of course.
You are one of the theists on RF who seems to have virtually all of the same values as humanists, but with a metaphysics that includes gods that doesn't interfere with the way you process information or deform your worldview the way the Abrahamic religions do. You are free to make moral judgments about homosexuality that are just, loving, and rational like any humanist, but unlike those with gods who deprecate homosexuals.
Because each person has to choose for themselves if they want to follow the teaching or not. Each person who believes in God and wants to be with God would have to follow Gods law or commands. But they are free to not do it, and then they are on their own.
Critical thinkers use those teaching to decide if they come from a god. Humanists use their conscience to decide if the god depicted is moral. Faith-based thinkers do it the other way around. They assume that the words come from a god and that the god is moral, so, their morality is given to them. It is received rather than discovered within. And you can see the difference in the outcome of the two. You've got a group of people who have chosen to believe by faith and who condone homophobic doctrine, and those who do it as I described and have rejected the doctrine as immoral, and though they don't believe that it comes from a god, would say that if it did that that god is immoral.
to be with God one has to leave lust
I translate that to mean that you have chosen to be in a religion that claims to speak for a god and which disesteems most pleasure and virtually all sexual pleasure. The humanist understands that what the Abrahamic theist condemns is natural and a gift of evolution, and is to be embraced and channeled as part of one's spiritual journey. Sex can be a peak spiritual experience, but not for those taught that pleasure is bad, and relabels multiple natural pleasures including sexual pleasure as a sin.
And what does the world get for it? Sexually constipated people, which is why premarital sex is a must, and forbidding it terrible advice also coming from the idea that if one enjoys something it comes from a part of him that needs to be suppressed. Isn't that a chief complaint of theists about atheists - that they just want to run around indulging in immoral activity without self-restraint? Of course, that's incorrect. The humanists you post with here don't seem to fit that description at all, do they? They're very much in control of themselves, and are decent, well-meaning people. Religion can't help them. It has nothing to offer them but irrational moral dicta that they can see is immoral from the outside..
It means sex are meant for making babies. By man and women
That may be nature's agenda, but not all of humanity's, and not mine. Why should it be? As long as there are enough people in the world, it doesn't matter if people have more babies. And in an overpopulated world, it matters that they do not reproduce mindlessly as nature would have it.
who cares what believers say any way
You do. And they told you that there is a god that disesteems homosexuals. You believe that that came from an infallible and good god.
I have my faith and belief. You have your understanding
And that difference explains why you have accepted a religion with doctrine that those without that religion reject.
It is relevant because it means sex isn't important to live a healthy relationship.
If by a healthy relationship you mean an intimate relationship with a sexually attractive partner, sex will make it better - more intimate means more spiritual.
my girlfriend is Bi-sexual, you think I am against gay people?
It's been explained. People think that you have accepted and are promoting a homophobic religion. You consider her homosexual nature to be against your god, but harbor no overt hatred for homosexuals. You don't need to keep repeating how you feel as a defense that your opinion isn't homophobic. It's about what you believe.
