Homosexuality and religious.

[CG Didymus]

Yes I did read it
Why?

Because of this response. You sound as if I told you not to believe in the Baha'i Faith.

What I am saying is that Baha'is are being just as negative and argumentive as everybody else, but they shouldn't be. Do you agree? Plus, we are not face to face. If something one of us says angers you, then wait. Don't respond in anger. Pray about. And respond the proper way. The way a Baha'i should, with kindness and respect.

Yes, i will keep being a baha'i no matter what you or others say, think or wish me to believe.

 

[Spirit of Light]

OK. I disagree. Respectfully. But we don't need to argue. Simply put, I don't assume that the "sexual aspect of being gay" always has to do with lust. It could be about love. And when it is, it should be acceptable per your standards. I think it's an important consideration.

As I said, what gay people do, is their own business.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Because of this response. You sound as if I told you not to believe in the Baha'i Faith.

What I am saying is that Baha'is are being just as negative and argumentive as everybody else, but they shouldn't be. Do you agree? Plus, we are not face to face. If something one of us says angers you, then wait. Don't respond in anger. Pray about. And respond the proper way. The way a Baha'i should, with kindness and respect.

It is normal to disagree when believers and non believers discuss.

Some of the reason I have reacted without love and kindness toward you or other critiques of religious has to do with how it seems that you guys ONLY focus on negativity within religion. And honestly I get tired and bord of you.

 

[CG Didymus]

The Bible shows how they are born with that Holy Spirit, that they are not men like us, though they share our humanity, they are born of the Holy Spirit.

Baha'u'llah has offered that even the Holy Spirit is created of the Most Great Spirit G_d.

As such the wisdom is shown by them and seen by them from birth.

You will note in scripture, that there is a time that God is revealed from them. Moses was the Burning Bush, Muhammad was the Angel Gabriel, the Bab was the severed head of Immam Ali and Baha'u'llah was the Maiden in 1852 and Jesus was the Dove at baptism with John the Baptist, who was also Eiljah!

Also interesting is that both the Bab and Baha'u'llah have identified as being the Ones who conversed with Moses. So I am still meditating on this, it would appear the Messengers might send themselves! They are all the first and the last, the beginning and the end, all the same Spirit given in a different age and a different name.

Regards Tony

What about prophets? Judaism has several prophets. Who were the prophets in the other religions?

The Baha’i texts distinguish between major prophets—also called universal manifestations, those who bring a new “Book” and start a new religion—and minor prophets, those who assist, reinforce, or reinvigorate an existing religion.

In discussing this distinction in his book Some Answered Questions, Abdu’l-Baha contrasted the “independent” prophets or the manifestations of God with the minor prophets who are themselves followers of the manifestation in whose dispensation they live:

Prophets are in general of two kinds. Some are independent Prophets Who are followed, while others are not independent and are themselves followers.

The independent Prophets are each the Author of a divine religion and the Founder of a new Dispensation. At Their advent the world is clothed in a new attire, a new religion is established, and a new Book revealed. These Prophets acquire the outpouring grace of the divine Reality without an intermediary.
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[CG Didymus]

It is normal to disagree when believers and non believers discuss.

Some of the reason I have reacted without love and kindness toward you or other critiques of religious has to do with how it seems that you guys ONLY focus on negativity within religion. And honestly I get tired and bord of you.

Recognize these words? "You only need two words to make peace from within. I forgive." You are the religious one. You are the spiritual one.

But then about "negativety"... if we were on a thread where there was a Christian claiming the Jesus was God, a belief that Baha'is believe is false, how would you word your posts as to say you disagree but not be negative?

Here the Baha'is have a belief that some of us believe is false. How would you want us to respond to the Baha'is that would get our point across but not be negative?

 

[F1fan]

I have a ton to learn still, and what you see now is not anger, it is more of an annoyance , but i get over it, don't worry.

Baha'i teaching saved my life, so to me it is the real deal.

Like a life jacket saves you from drowning, but once on land you don't keep wearing it. You need to move on past almost drowning, and not be constantly reminded of it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Recognize these words? "You only need two words to make peace from within. I forgive." You are the religious one. You are the spiritual one.

But then about "negativety"... if we were on a thread where there was a Christian claiming the Jesus was God, a belief that Baha'is believe is false, how would you word your posts as to say you disagree but not be negative?

Here the Baha'is have a belief that some of us believe is false. How would you want us to respond to the Baha'is that would get our point across but not be negative?

I have forgiven every word that has been hurtfull toward me in RF, forgiven every person who speak bad about my faith.

Its enough to say, I disagree.
That is all it takes, and it is not even negative

 

[Spirit of Light]

Like a life jacket saves you from drowning, but once on land you don't keep wearing it. You need to move on past almost drowning, and not be constantly reminded of it.

Drowning?
I tried to hang myself because of comments made here in RF.

Clear enough that comments made in RF hurts????

 

[Trailblazer]

We could all just ignore the Baha'i. But can we when they say that they are the truth from God for today? If they are the truth, and they do become the dominant religion, what are we in for? And what are gays in for?

If any of that happens it won't happen within your lifetime so you have nothing to worry about.

 

[F1fan]

Drowning?
I tried to hang myself because of comments made here in RF.

Clear enough that comments made in RF hurts????

The drowning is a metaphor, and that you ignored my metaphor is an indication of what it means.

 

[Vinayaka]

It is normal to disagree when believers and non believers discuss.

Some of the reason I have reacted without love and kindness toward you or other critiques of religious has to do with how it seems that you guys ONLY focus on negativity within religion. And honestly I get tired and bord of you.

You simply don't have to post here. If a person opens a discussion, or asks a question, and then gets an answer or comment they disagree with, then get upset, then I don't see the logic. The solution is to simply not ask the question in the first place. Expecting others to agree with you all the time is simply unrealistic.

 

[Vinayaka]

Yeah, it was automatic in High School to beat them up and call them names. Then the protests for equality happened. And I had to admit to myself, the only reason I was against gays was that society and religion said it was wrong and evil. Some people are still finding it hard to come out because of how society reacts to them... Movie stars and musicians and now some athletes.

We never beat anyone up, because I didn't know anyone. Only later did I figure a few things out ... hust a simple farm boy being incredibly naive. It took my Dad 60 years to figure out gay existed. If nobody ever talks about it ... well?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I don't think so. If the religion of God, supposedly the Baha'i Faith, and the laws of God, are not meant for the whole of the world, then what good are they? Show me where the most great peace isn't talking about the Baha'i Faith being the governing body for the world? To fulfill prophecies, the Baha'i Faith has to have the government on the "shoulders" of Baha'u'llah. Show me the deception. Is the Baha'i Faith destined to be the religion that unites and governs the world? Here's from an ariticle on the lesser and greater peace...

Baha’u’llah envisioned a time in the future when the peoples of the world will live together in peace and unity as members of one faith. Universal justice will be established based on adherence to the law of God. A new civilization based on spiritual values will come into being. He referred to this as the Most Great Peace.
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It may be wrong, but I was told by Baha'is that after a great tribulation the people of the world would turn to the Baha'i Faith. The Faith would already have everything in place to take over the governing of the world. Is this correct or not? And what writings do you have to support your view?

I see you are projecting today's morals and ethics, not born of a God given Message, into a picture that will be faced by future generations.

I see future Generations will set that standard by embracing what Baha'u'llah offered.

It is an entirely different picture and mindset.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

But we don't need to argue. Simply put, I don't assume that the "sexual aspect of being gay" always has to do with lust. It could be about love.

I agree that it could be about love since sex is not always about lust.

And when it is, it should be acceptable per your standards. I think it's an important consideration.

However, it is still not acceptable for a Baha'i to have sex with someone of the same gender or sex out of wedlock with anyone. That is the Baha'i law.

 

[Trailblazer]

Here the Baha'is have a belief that some of us believe is false. How would you want us to respond to the Baha'is that would get our point across but not be negative?

Here the atheists and non-Baha'is have a belief that some of us Baha'is do not agree with. How would you expect us to respond to the atheists and non-Baha'is that would get our point across without disagreeing with you?

 

[Trailblazer]

Its enough to say, I disagree.
That is all it takes, and it is not even negative

But when you say you disagree they call it negative whereas they are allowed to disagree with us and they don't consider themselves negative.
Do you see the double standard?

 

[Trailblazer]

Drowning?
I tried to hang myself because of comments made here in RF.

You are just a very sensitive person. That is not a bad thing but it does make it a bit difficult to weather the storms of negativity that goes on here against Baha'i. I used to be more like you but I have changed. Nothing they say bothers me anymore.

"Behold how in this Dispensation the worthless and foolish have fondly imagined that by such instruments as massacre, plunder and banishment they can extinguish the Lamp which the Hand of Divine power hath lit, or eclipse the Day Star of everlasting splendor. How utterly unaware they seem to be of the truth that such adversity is the oil that feedeth the flame of this Lamp! Such is God’s transforming power. He changeth whatsoever He willeth; He verily hath power over all things….

Consider at all times the sovereignty exercised by the Ideal King, and behold the evidences of His power and paramount influence. Sanctify your ears from the idle talk of them that are the symbols of denial and the exponents of violence and anger. The hour is approaching when ye will witness the power of the one true God triumphing over all created things and the signs of His sovereignty encompassing all creation. On that day ye will discover how all else besides Him will have been forgotten and come to be regarded as utter nothingness."

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 72-73

 

[CG Didymus]

The Bible shows how they are born with that Holy Spirit, that they are not men like us, though they share our humanity, they are born of the Holy Spirit.

Who in the Bible do Baha'is believe were manifestations? For sure Abraham, Moses and when you say "Bible" I assume you mean the NT also, which makes Jesus one of those manifestations. But what about Adam and Noah? Are they or aren't they manifestations?

Then... which Bible verses are you claiming shows all of those that Baha'is believe were manifestations were born "with that Holy Spirit"?

 

[CG Didymus]

I see you are projecting today's morals and ethics, not born of a God given Message, into a picture that will be faced by future generations.

I see future Generations will set that standard by embracing what Baha'u'llah offered.

It is an entirely different picture and mindset.

Regards Tony

How is that an answer to this...

Baha’u’llah envisioned a time in the future when the peoples of the world will live together in peace and unity as members of one faith. Universal justice will be established based on adherence to the law of God. A new civilization based on spiritual values will come into being. He referred to this as the Most Great Peace.
It may be wrong, but I was told by Baha'is that after a great tribulation the people of the world would turn to the Baha'i Faith. The Faith would already have everything in place to take over the governing of the world. Is this correct or not? And what writings do you have to support your view?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Who in the Bible do Baha'is believe were manifestations? For sure Abraham, Moses and when you say "Bible" I assume you mean the NT also, which makes Jesus one of those manifestations. But what about Adam and Noah? Are they or aren't they manifestations?

Then... which Bible verses are you claiming shows all of those that Baha'is believe were manifestations were born "with that Holy Spirit"?

No need to do that again CG. It up to you if you wish to explore the answer to those Questions.

Regards Tony