Homosexuality and religious.

[loverofhumanity]

None confirm a virgin birth. They claim it without sufficient evidence to justify belief. It's never a good idea to bring modern science in to support biblical scripture without a good knowledge of the science. The biblical story involves only DNA donor. We have a parallel in the bees, whose diploid queens generate haploid males through virgin birth (parthenogenesis). IVF produces diploid offspring, and is antithetical to the biblical meaning of human virgin birth, which means with no human father, not with no sex.



That's a statement of motivated reasoning, sometimes called rationalization: "Motivated reasoning is the phenomenon in cognitive science and social psychology in which emotional biases lead to justifications or decisions based on their desirability rather than an accurate reflection of the evidence." You're essentially saying that you expect by faith for these religions to support one another without contradiction, and that when you do with that mindset, that's what you see. This is really what all believers want of all skeptics when they accuse the latter of materialism, scientism, closed-mindedness, willful blindness, or whatever. It's a plea to relax critical standards for deciding truth in order to believe what reason doesn't support. The believer sees that as opening one's heart. The skeptic sees it as the quickest path to acquiring untrue ideas.



You recommend faith, which is the only path to theism. That is the predecessor to critical thought, which holds a much higher standard for truth than faith. The animals are like the preverbal infant, and use the same standard for belief - how things appear. A little later he reaches the verbal stage, and can be instructed by his parents using words that, lacking critical thinking skills, he believes by faith. It is at this time that he is most likely to be made a theist, a fact not lost on the church in its effort to put prayer and creationism back into public grade schools. Because they know that once this child learns to think for himself at university, if he's not a believer yet, he probably never will be. The Jehovah's Witnesses understand this, and pressure their adherents to NOT let their kids go away to school after graduation.



The Christians say that corpses can revivify if God wills it. I'm with you on this one, but then I decide what's true differently than you do. Is your god the Christian god? Isn't that what's implied by saying that all of the religions are correct? If so, why the discrepancy here about what it can or will do?



Does this mean that they believe that Baha'u'llah is risen and is presently their intercessor?

From what we know, a male sperm is required to fertilise a female egg to produce an infant. We do not know in the case of Mary what method was used as it is still a mystery but it is not an impossibility is all I’m saying.

As to the religions supporting one another. I’m absolutely convinced of that. The reason is because religions are divided into two parts, one part is the spiritual teachings and the other part is the social teachings. The part of religions which support and confirm each other are the spiritual teachings which teach things like the virtues and having an upright character. It is only the social teachings traditions and customs which are different according to the age in which the religion appeared. But spiritually each and every religion supports and confirms each and every other religion. That is a proven fact if you go to any of the Scriptures of any of the religions you will find they all speak about similar virtues and good conduct and to refrain from vices etc. Social teachings for example - at the time of Mohammed the object was to establish nationhood. So Mohammed established the nation with a constitution and laws. But as we entered into the modern era and communications began to be widespread and countries began to intermingle Baha’u’llah appeared with teachings for world unity. His spiritual teachings are the same is the spiritual teachings of the past, where as Christ said Love Thy Neighbor and Mohammed says to love your country and Baha’u’llah says to love all mankind no contradiction whatsoever.

There is only one God Baha’is believe and that at the end of the age it is said in the Christian Bible that the true interpretation would be unveiled. Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah was the One and He explained that this belief in a bodily resurrection was mere superstition. So we accept that.

Baha’is can pray to God directly or any of His Manifestations. So I can pray to Christ, Buddha, Muhammad, Moses, Krishna, Baha’u’llah as long as I understand They are Intercessors not God Himself. And I often do that. When I defend Islam as a Baha’i I sometimes call on Muhammad to help. To me They are all Spiritual Kings and Messiahs and Saviours and I don’t exalt One over the Other. So you will never find a Baha’i website on the internet condemning any of these Great Educators, but you will find each condemning the other and Baha’is as well.

 

[F1fan]

That’s where people get misled because upon which believers does one determine the truth? If one looks at the good believers then the religion is good but if at the not so good ones then the religion is wrong?

This oversimplifies the critique. There is certainly a huge dilemma with religion not inspiring bad people to be better. But there is a serious question why people need to belong to religions at all these days. What I find odd is how homosexuality is more accepted today but Bahai are so committed to their religion that they can't understand how it is a bad law. It is by being religious that is making Bahai out of touch and immoral. It doesn't matter how idealistic Bahai are, or how good the members are, they are still committed to a religion (of many, many options out there) that harms a class of people who don't pose a threat. If the leadership of Bahai would agree to eliminate that law it would be a great move towards modernity, but they refuse, and the members defending it here in debate refuse to resign from the religion. That is passive agreement with the bigotry.

The standard being set is what should be looked at. For example, Islam is a religion of peace. The Quran teaches to return love for hate. Yet if one base one’s views of Islam upon extremists one will have a distorted view of it. It’s true the followers should be setting the example but if they do not then it is not the fault of the religion but disobedience to it which is the problem.

But in the case of Bahai it is the bigoted law that is the problem, not bad interpretetion by some of the religion. Thus far none of the Bahai here have condemned the bigotry in Bahai, and that is a passive endorsement of the law. Not one has criticcized the law that I have seen.

So if one never studies the holy texts one will never know what is the standard being set as followers vary in their level of obedience.

This is the absurdity because there is no authority to be obedient to. There is an absent God to Bahai so the believer has to take on the role of God in which the self must be obedient to. It's quite a bit of theater for a religious person. It is the believe who decides they will be obedient through dogma that has an absent God and a dead Messenger. Why can't believers drop the theater and just be moral and decent people via their own wits? Is it lack of confidence? A need to follow someone due to some insecurity?

Depending on the behaviour of followers for accurate information is misleading but the scriptures remain the same and are the main point of reference I believe one should turn to to determine the truth.

Yet there is no right answer that allow a believer to know if they have the truth. Bahai just decide to join and *magic* they have the truth. Critical thinkers are the only ones examining the texts and beliefs with rational scrutiny, and we are not impressed. We explain why we are not impressed. The Bahai believe because they believe, and they want to beleive. They offer no high standard of reason that demonstrates they have any truth at all.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It seems believers have realized the weaknesses in Bahai and struggling to maintain a coherent defense. I suspect even a bit of crisis of faith.

ROFLOL


Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

From what we know, a male sperm is required to fertilise a female egg to produce an infant. We do not know in the case of Mary what method was used as it is still a mystery but it is not an impossibility is all I’m saying.

As to the religions supporting one another. I’m absolutely convinced of that. The reason is because religions are divided into two parts, one part is the spiritual teachings and the other part is the social teachings. The part of religions which support and confirm each other are the spiritual teachings which teach things like the virtues and having an upright character. It is only the social teachings traditions and customs which are different according to the age in which the religion appeared. But spiritually each and every religion supports and confirms each and every other religion. That is a proven fact if you go to any of the Scriptures of any of the predictions you will find they all speak about similar virtues and good conduct and to refrain from vices etc. Social teachings for example - at the time of Mohammed the object was to establish nationhood. So Mohammed established the nation with a constitution and laws. But as we entered into the modern era and communications began to be widespread and countries began to intermingle Baha’u’llah appeared with teachings for world unity. His spiritual teachings at the same is the spiritual teachings of the past, where as Christ said Love Thy Neighbor and Mohammed says to love your country and Baha’u’llah says to love all mankind no contradiction whatsoever.

There is only one God Baha’is believe and that at the end of the age it is said in the Christian Bible that the true interpretation would be unveiled. Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah was the One and He explained that this belief in a bodily resurrection was mere superstition. So we accept that.

Baha’is can pray to God directly or any of His Manifestations. So I can pray to Christ, Buddha, Muhammad, Moses, Krishna, Baha’u’llah as long as I understand They are Intercessors not God Himself. And I often do that. When I defend Islam as a Baha’i I sometimes call on Muhammad to help. To me They are all Spiritual Kings and Messiahs and Saviours and I don’t exalt One over the Other. So you will never find a Baha’i website on the internet condemning any of these Great Educators, but you will find each condemning the other and Baha’is as well.

This is clearly false. My faith, Hinduism, has very clear spiritual teachings that are very very different from that of the Baha'i. Reincarnation, moksha, brahman, vegetarianism, the nature of the soul, the path to God, samadhi, kundalini, the use of murthis on worship, the nature of sound, inner light, chakras, monism, and much much more isn't even found in Abrahamic religions. I don't know how you can make such preposterous claims with a straight face?

Again, Krishna is GOD, not some manifestation. Your incorrect information and presentation may not be countered by the Baha'i echo chamber, but it won't be supported by any non-Baha'i either.

 

[loverofhumanity]

If anything we are more aware that the texts are mundane and there is a prejudical elemnet to the relgion. We have asked how belief in this religion is reasonable, and the answers fell short. So the next questions were why a person would believe when it isn't reasonable and even that was unsatisfactory. I have no real clue why any of you have decided to follow it.


I don't see much spiritual in belief in dogmas. And if you had strong spirits I would expect believers to easily withstand all sorts of critique and questioning. It seems believers have realized the weaknesses in Bahai and struggling to maintain a coherent defense. I suspect even a bit of crisis of faith.


What shame is there to have beliefs and attempt to expalin and defend them in open debate? If theists are correct in their beliefs then they will easily prevail in debates. We see religions have many flaws and errors, and believers all struggle to defend belief in them.

I believe we do not struggle at all and easily prevail. These below are some of the teachings of Baha’u’llah,

What is unreasonable in believing in these Words?
What is dogmatic about these Words?
Not Spiritual?
Crisis of Faith? So you’re a comedian? The more you and others attack such beautiful teachings the more lucky I realise I am and the more ignorant I realise critical thinkers are to be attacking the author of such beautiful Writings and Teachings. If critical thinking can’t see the truth in these Words then it is completely and utterly useless and worthless.

Be generous in prosperity, and thankful in adversity. Be worthy of the trust of thy neighbor, and look upon him with a bright and friendly face. Be a treasure to the poor, an admonisher to the rich, an answerer of the cry of the needy, a preserver of the sanctity of thy pledge. Be fair in thy judgment, and guarded in thy speech. Be unjust to no man, and show all meekness to all men. Be as a lamp unto them that walk in darkness, a joy to the sorrowful, a sea for the thirsty, a haven for the distressed, an upholder and defender of the victim of oppression. Let integrity and uprightness distinguish all thine acts. Be a home for the stranger, a balm to the suffering, a tower of strength for the fugitive. Be eyes to the blind, and a guiding light unto the feet of the erring. Be an ornament to the countenance of truth, a crown to the brow of fidelity, a pillar of the temple of righteousness, a breath of life to the body of mankind, an ensign of the hosts of justice, a luminary above the horizon of virtue, a dew to the soil of the human heart, an ark on the ocean of knowledge, a sun in the heaven of bounty, a gem on the diadem of wisdom, a shining light in the firmament of thy generation, a fruit upon the tree of humility.” (Baha’u’llah)

 

[Vinayaka]

I believe we do not struggle at all and easily prevail. These below are some of the teachings of Baha’u’llah,

What is unreasonable in believing in these Words?
What is dogmatic about these Words?
Not Spiritual?
Crisis of Faith? So you’re a comedian? The more you and others attack such beautiful teachings the more lucky I realise I am and the more ignorant I realise critical thinkers are to be attacking the author of such beautiful Writings and Teachings. If critical thinking can’t see the truth in these Words then it is completely and utterly useless and worthless.

Be generous in prosperity, and thankful in adversity. Be worthy of the trust of thy neighbor, and look upon him with a bright and friendly face. Be a treasure to the poor, an admonisher to the rich, an answerer of the cry of the needy, a preserver of the sanctity of thy pledge. Be fair in thy judgment, and guarded in thy speech. Be unjust to no man, and show all meekness to all men. Be as a lamp unto them that walk in darkness, a joy to the sorrowful, a sea for the thirsty, a haven for the distressed, an upholder and defender of the victim of oppression. Let integrity and uprightness distinguish all thine acts. Be a home for the stranger, a balm to the suffering, a tower of strength for the fugitive. Be eyes to the blind, and a guiding light unto the feet of the erring. Be an ornament to the countenance of truth, a crown to the brow of fidelity, a pillar of the temple of righteousness, a breath of life to the body of mankind, an ensign of the hosts of justice, a luminary above the horizon of virtue, a dew to the soil of the human heart, an ark on the ocean of knowledge, a sun in the heaven of bounty, a gem on the diadem of wisdom, a shining light in the firmament of thy generation, a fruit upon the tree of humility.” (Baha’u’llah)

That last phrase is by far the most ironic.

Do you ever get to the sea? What's the temperature like there? Have there been good rains? What crops grow in WA? Do you grow a garden? Have you driven across Australia. How difficult of a drive would it be to go to Tony's place via Darwin? Would that even be possible? What do you think of the climbing ban on Ayre's rock?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Do you ever get to the sea? What's the temperature like there? Have there been good rains? What crops grow in WA? Do you grow a garden? Have you driven across Australia. How difficult of a drive would it be to go to Tony's place via Darwin? Would that even be possible? What do you think of the climbing ban on Ayre's rock?

Oh great a quiz, this is fun.

Do you ever get to the sea? I Love the sea, do not get there much now, but I use to fish on the ocean every weekend for years. I haved lived in Cooktown, Townsville and Beldon which are by the sea, used to holiday as seaside beach houses.

What's the temperature like there? Blooming hot, 39 today, high 90% humidity!

Have there been good rains? No, but floods down south.

What crops grow in WA? All crops you would want, they grow a lot of wheat on the wheat belt.

Do you grow a garden? Always have a garden.

Have you driven across Australia? A few times now, across and around, including a crossing of the Simpson Desert, 1200 sandhills!

How difficult of a drive would it be to go to Tony's place via Darwin? No issues, a Blooming long way, a few options, just a long drive, that's all.

Would that even be possible? Too right, road trips, we love them, 500 to 600k to the nearest bigger town for us in the North.

What do you think of the climbing ban on Ayre's rock? That sucks if you ever wanted to do it, I did not, I drove past and waved at it from the highway. But I respect the culture of the locals and support their choices.

I will have to look up Canada and give you a quiz!

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Oh great a quiz, this is fun.

Do you ever get to the sea? I Love the sea, do not get there much now, but I use to fish on the ocean every weekend for years. I haved lived in Cooktown, Townsville and Beldon which are by the sea, used to holiday as seaside beach houses.

What's the temperature like there? Blooming hot, 39 today, high 90% humidity!

Have there been good rains? No, but floods down south.

What crops grow in WA? All crops you would want, they grow a lot of wheat on the wheat belt.

Do you grow a garden? Always have a garden.

Have you driven across Australia? A few times now, across and around, including a crossing of the Simpson Desert, 1200 sandhills!

How difficult of a drive would it be to go to Tony's place via Darwin? No issues, a Blooming long way, a few options, just a long drive, that's all.

Would that even be possible? Too right, road trips, we love them, 500 to 600k to the nearest bigger town for us in the North.

What do you think of the climbing ban on Ayre's rock? That sucks if you ever wanted to do it, I did not, I drove past and waved at it from the highway. But I respect the culture of the locals and support their choices.

I will have to look up Canada and give you a quiz!

Regards Tony

Glad you respect the local culture. Too bad our ancestors didn't have respect for indigenous peoples. I've google mapped Australia, and it looks like even longer more boring drives than here.

 

[loverofhumanity]

For sure, but nobody likes being told that their religious views are wrong. It's also not fun to hang out with people that seem to have no other life than their religion. That can also be a hobby or other interest. It makes for a very narrow conversation. For example, the other day, I asked if you ever got to the sea, and there was no response. In threads here on RF, you rarely see people of the Baha'i faith participating in any other threads that have nothing to do with their faith. It's all about Baha'i, and nothing else. But that's common in groups whose singular focus is their religion and how to promote it.

I go through each post but I didn’t come across one asking me about the sea. I try and answer all. What might have happened is during my break the post went off the alerts list so I missed it. I live inland away from the sea but if that helps and I’ve lived near beaches but not travelled the seas. It’s almost impossible for non Baha’is to appreciate what Baha’is are trying to do. Baha’is will either be misconstrued or misunderstood. So we just accept that that’s the way it is until our true motives are recognised. Of course we all have lives, families and hobbies and interests but they might not always appear on RF.

 

[loverofhumanity]

That last phrase is by far the most ironic.

Do you ever get to the sea? What's the temperature like there? Have there been good rains? What crops grow in WA? Do you grow a garden? Have you driven across Australia. How difficult of a drive would it be to go to Tony's place via Darwin? Would that even be possible? What do you think of the climbing ban on Ayre's rock?

Im not sure about WA as I live in NSW regional area inland not close to the sea. Yes I have a small garden we grow spinach and lemongrass as well as chillies. I don’t drive due to a medical condition but Tony has been to visit my wife and I. With Ayer’s Rock if the Aborigines consider it sacred then everyone should respect their wishes.

 

[F1fan]

I believe we do not struggle at all and easily prevail. These below are some of the teachings of Baha’u’llah,

What is unreasonable in believing in these Words?

There is nothing special about these words. What the words say are what any ordinary, decent person understands already. Are you suggesting you need words like this to understand that charity is a good thing? You couldn't figure this out just by observing the suffering of those in poverty?

But you miss the point, the unreasonable belief you all have is the belief these words had to come from a God. Do you really think an ordinary person couldn't come up with what is written here?

What is dogmatic about these Words?

Again, it's not the words, the words are mundane. It is that you all bought into a religion that uses these words as a basis for some divine, and you follow this dogmatically. You don't have to. For some reason you need to be a follower. I would suggest asking yourself why you need to be a follower of anything.

Not Spiritual?

I don't find any irrational dogmatism as spiritual. Ironically your dogma includes prejudice against gays, and that nullifies a great deal of what the rest of these texts say, so it is corrupt in it's inconsistency. From God? Really?

Crisis of Faith? The more you and others attack such beautiful teachings the more lucky I realise I am and the more ignorant I realise critical thinkers are to be attacking the author of such beautiful Writings and Teachings. If critical thinking can’t see the truth in these Words then it is completely and utterly useless and worthless.

Look at this post. You don't see the moral incosnistency in the texts, and you think it all came from a God. Your own manner is indignant towards critics, as if you have contempt for thinkers and critics. That has always bothered me about theists who claim a certain spiritual superiority yet fail at humility. Isn't there something in your texts about listening to critics and being humble? Oh yes, in the text you posted. Did you not understand it? If you really had superiority, and were confident and wise in that knowledge, you would present that in discussions.

 

[CG Didymus]

As a teenager when I first heard of Baha'i I thought how silly it was to think that all religions could join together when they all believed different things and so the gods of each religion had to be teaching different things.

Why can't it just be the people in different cultures had different religions and different Gods. And I know Evangelical Christians believe these religions and their Gods were made up by the people in that culture. I've asked Baha'is tons of times if they believe in the ancient Greek or Egyptian religions and Gods. I don't remember if I've ever gotten an answer. But as we know, it wouldn't matter, because even with the religions they do believe in, they reinterpret them to fit their, Baha'i, beliefs. There was no penalty for any sin that Jesus had to die for that I can tell in the Baha'i Faith. It is between the individual and God.

 

[CG Didymus]

Not at all. In the Arabic Bible in the 19th century the word Baha’u’llah appeared many times. Baha’is are just believing in what the Bible says.

Then what a great title to call himself. Then he showed all his friends, "Hey look, my name is in the Bible." That's not fulfilling prophesy. That's finding a way to make himself fit into prophecy.

 

[CG Didymus]

Do you believe Baha'u'llah entered the Temple at Jerusalem by way of East Gate and filled the Temple? or do you think that means that God entered the Temple in His glory?

Did Baha'u'llah ever go to Jerusalem? Because aren't there prophecies about the Messiah ruling from Jerusalem or Mt. Zion... and restoring the Temple?

 

[CG Didymus]

1. No individual has any power or authority in the Baha’i Faith as priests do?
2. Baha’is are forbidden to interpret scripture as priests do causing sects. We can only authoritatively refer for meanings to the Bab, Baha’u’llah, Abdul-Baha and Shoghi Effendi.
3. There is no paid priesthood profession in our Faith
4. The Faith is governed by bodies of 9 believers annually elected by believers except the House of Justice every 5 years.

And the nine at the top have a lot of power and authority. The NSA's have less, and the LSA's even less. Then there are the Auxillary Board members and Continental Counselors and there was a Guardian and Hands of the Cause. Not a whole lot of difference. It's still people running and leading the religion. And deciding who gets voting rights taken away and who gets declared as covenant breakers.

 

[CG Didymus]

All the religions speak of the same one God, if one drastically re-writes their scripture forcing that to be the case.

I agree.

So you don’t believe in the God of Abraham which Christians, Muslims and Baha’is believe in?

Baha'is have their own beliefs on how and why they believe there is one God, and that he is the same God for all the major religions.

But, as we all know, some Hindus believe in several Gods. Some Buddhists and some Hindus don't believe in a God. Some Christians believe in a Trinitarian God. And do Baha'i find a way to interpret things to make all those beliefs wrong? Yes, they do. And after they do that, they say that in reality, all these religions believe in and came from the same one God. That is a Baha'i belief. But, as usual, Baha'is believe it is the only true belief. All the others are wrong.

 

[loverofhumanity]

This oversimplifies the critique. There is certainly a huge dilemma with religion not inspiring bad people to be better. But there is a serious question why people need to belong to religions at all these days. What I find odd is how homosexuality is more accepted today but Bahai are so committed to their religion that they can't understand how it is a bad law. It is by being religious that is making Bahai out of touch and immoral. It doesn't matter how idealistic Bahai are, or how good the members are, they are still committed to a religion (of many, many options out there) that harms a class of people who don't pose a threat. If the leadership of Bahai would agree to eliminate that law it would be a great move towards modernity, but they refuse, and the members defending it here in debate refuse to resign from the religion. That is passive agreement with the bigotry.


But in the case of Bahai it is the bigoted law that is the problem, not bad interpretetion by some of the religion. Thus far none of the Bahai here have condemned the bigotry in Bahai, and that is a passive endorsement of the law. Not one has criticcized the law that I have seen.


This is the absurdity because there is no authority to be obedient to. There is an absent God to Bahai so the believer has to take on the role of God in which the self must be obedient to. It's quite a bit of theater for a religious person. It is the believe who decides they will be obedient through dogma that has an absent God and a dead Messenger. Why can't believers drop the theater and just be moral and decent people via their own wits? Is it lack of confidence? A need to follow someone due to some insecurity?


Yet there is no right answer that allow a believer to know if they have the truth. Bahai just decide to join and *magic* they have the truth. Critical thinkers are the only ones examining the texts and beliefs with rational scrutiny, and we are not impressed. We explain why we are not impressed. The Bahai believe because they believe, and they want to beleive. They offer no high standard of reason that demonstrates they have any truth at all.

With regards to homosexuality. Baha’is believe that humanity as a race grows, develops and progresses much like the human body. We believe that man is a spiritual being. Over the centuries things like war and oppression have been an immature expression of ourselves. But now we have reached adolescence and so are experimenting with different fads and lifestyles to find happiness and contentment.

But we believe this to be a transient stage in our development which we will willingly discard as we reach spiritual maturity. So many vices will disappear and a virtuous society will gradually be born over time. Of course the rebelliousness of youth is expressed by contending with Baha’u’llah over homosexuality but as we mature I believe we will change our temporary immature stance.

As to God. Until one has found God he will insist God is imaginary but for those who know God, He is as real as the sun in the sky.

There is a saying by Baha’u’llah that perfectly describes atheism. Atheism I personally believe to be wilful emotional, mental and spiritual blindness bases upon a form of egoism which worships the self. Which insists that the self is all there is and is always right. Baha’is are wary of the self and only fully trust God.

“Even as the sun, bright
hath He shined,
But alas, He hath come to the town of the blind”


The Seven Valleys, The Four Valleys
Bahá’u’lláh

 

[CG Didymus]

Christs greatest miracle was that He transformed individuals and the world not a circus act to perform stunts that really would have only been proof for this who were present.

So, Christians are wrong to believe in the various miracles and the resurrection? I think that is part of the reason why they believe. Which means the stories in the Bible and NT about the miracle of God and Jesus do change people's live even today.

But a "circus" act? Yeah, why pretend you believe in the Bible and NT. You believe what the Baha'i Faith teaches about them?

The Gospels, the Quran and Baha’i Writings all confirm a virgin birth. Today with artificial insemination a virgin can now give birth. So it’s not beyond the realm of possibility unlike rising from the dead after 3 days.

So, who inseminated Mary? And speaking of confirming things, let me ask this again... Is Matthew's virgin birth story or was Luke's? Then in the Quran it says Mary gave birth to Jesus under a date palm. Since that is from Muhammad, and not just some followers of Jesus that tell us about the birth of Jesus, is the Quran correct and both gospel stories wrong? And again, God can't bring a dead person back to life?

 

[loverofhumanity]

And the nine at the top have a lot of power and authority. The NSA's have less, and the LSA's even less. Then there are the Auxillary Board members and Continental Counselors and there was a Guardian and Hands of the Cause. Not a whole lot of difference. It's still people running and leading the religion. And deciding who gets voting rights taken away and who gets declared as covenant breakers.

It’s very different. Individual clergy recently ordered Baha’is homes to be buried down leaving them homeless. The Baha’i Community has no such individuals with that power.

 

[CG Didymus]

Christianity itself teaches progressive revelation

What did it say about Hinduism, Buddhism and Zoroastrianism?