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horrors of religion

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
You never have to teach children to be bad - you have to teach them to be good.
That's not quite true. Children for example, are not born racists, they assimilate something like that through their parents and environment.

Our bad habits are imprinted upon our children which we can either watch manifest into an ugly reflection of ourselves or we can eradicate in the child and perhaps at the same time in our self.
 
It is necessary for the survival of the species that children are born selfish, they need to devote themselves entirely to the process of getting bigger and stronger in order to increase their chances of survival.

Our genes have a big influence on our intellect, and appearance but empathy is a learned skill, which has to be imparted to the child over time by it's primary caregivers, that being said the building blocks for empathy are in place at an early age, in a room full of babies if one starts crying soon the others join in, true understanding that other people have feelings doesn't start till about 18mths , you can see a child at this age offering toys or hugs to another child but this is not fully developed empathy, any one who has been in charge of a child of 4 or 5 only to have them demand loudly why someone was so fat or ugly knows that a child of this age has no concept of hurting someones feelings. At about 5 to 10 years they start to understand that how you feel when something bad happens to you is how they feel when something happens to them. From 10 years on they should have a more sophisticated degree of empathic ability and should be able to comprehend more subtle concepts like somebody being left out of a game.

Children aren't born good or evil they are not completely blank slates either, there are certain factory settings in place, but after that the programming is dependant on both the natural capacity of the individual and the information it receives over the course of development.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
An intelligent human knows that people are flawed, hence anything connected to humans has the potential to be flawed including mom's and dad,s. God however, is suppose to be perfect, unflawed, so one more time, ONLY GOOD IS SUPPOSE TO COME FROM RELIGION OR ANYTHING CONNECTED TO GOD!!!

Do you consider Buddhism and Taoism to be religions? Because they are almost atheistic in their God-concepts.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
So because you have talked to 10 Christians and a few Jews you have your finger on the pulse of how Christians view evolution? 9 out of 10 that I have talked to refuse to accept any thoughts of evolution as it goes against their God creating all there is in that foolish 7 day span.

6 days. lol

Clearly neither of us can be authoritative on the subject, as neither of us has held a survey with EVERY SINGLE Christian/Jew/Muslim contributing their thoughts on evolution.

By the way, the argument you've just used against me is worthless, because I can use it against you just as easily.

I will always blame the individual, they are ignorant, lacking knowledge and awareness, and if the are unable to think logically then they are stupid. With the overwhelming information available on the subject of evolution anyone saying that they are unaware, or lack knowledge, are by definition ignorant.

No, you're not blaming individuals. You're blaming belief systems.

I agree that YECs are ignorant.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Dr. Janet Dorman a specialist in child brain development has observed in her 35 years of study that a newborn is functionally blind, deaf and INSENSATE ( totally unfeeling with a complete lack of sense or reason)

In other words, selfish.

Now, how did Dr. Dorman go about her studies?

In the book by Dr. Jonah Lehrer, INSIDE THE BABY MIND he states, "newborns are bound totally by sensation, a bundle of reflexes that can only eat and cry, they are totally insensate with no compassion, sympathy, or any other feelings."
In other words, selfish.

Now, how did Dr. Lehrer go about his or her studies?

It is kind of hard to have a therapy session with a newborn, after all. (I'm sure it shows, but I'm not all that familiar with psychology.)
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Any religion that has a God figure as a central component is based on Mythology. How many religions have no God figure as a main component?

Plenty. Not all God-concepts paint God as a figure at all.

There are an equal TON of jewish and Christians who will argue almost to the death that a global flood is factual, and happen just as it appears in Genesis.

If what you say here is true, then it's a perfect half and half, and both our arguments are moot.
 

richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
Children aren't born good or evil they are not completely blank slates either,


Show me the research that shows a newborn's mind is NOT a blank slate.
 

richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
Do you consider Buddhism and Taoism to be religions? Because they are almost atheistic in their God-concepts.

By definition both are religions--A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. Both are totally without a God concept and are more of a state of mind than a God based religion.
 

richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
No, you're not blaming individuals. You're blaming belief systems.

I agree that YECs are ignorant.[/QUOTE]

Yes of course I'm blaming individuals, those blinded by a belief system. You may believe anything you like but when that belief system trumps all common sense and reason, the individual is responsible. When fact are readily available and they are ignored because of a belief system, the individual is in fact ignorant!!
 

richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
In other words, selfish.

Now, how did Dr. Dorman go about her studies?

In other words, selfish.

Now, how did Dr. Lehrer go about his or her studies?

It is kind of hard to have a therapy session with a newborn, after all. (I'm sure it shows, but I'm not all that familiar with psychology.)

HELLO!!! are we on the same page here? how does "Totally unfeeling with a complete LACK of sense or reason equal-----selfish?????????

Dr. Dorman had 35 years of studying brain activity in newborn's


How does INSENSATE---LACK of any feelings equal-------selfish??????

Selfishness is a feeling, an emotion, when there is NO feelings there can be no selfishness!!!
 

richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
Plenty. Not all God-concepts paint God as a figure at all.



If what you say here is true, then it's a perfect half and half, and both our arguments are moot.

Show me a GOD-CONCEPT that does not paint God as a figure!!!!

No, you don't get off that easy, I doubt it is half and half, I guess someone would have to total up the count as to how many believe such an event took place. You have my permission to do an exhaustive poll on the subject!!!
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
HELLO!!! are we on the same page here? how does "Totally unfeeling with a complete LACK of sense or reason equal-----selfish?????????

Dr. Dorman had 35 years of studying brain activity in newborn's

Okay. Is such study absolutely reliable or are scientists looking for better methods?

(PLEASE understand I'm not trying to undermine these scientists' studies.)


How does INSENSATE---LACK of any feelings equal-------selfish??????

Selfishness is a feeling, an emotion, when there is NO feelings there can be no selfishness!!!

I've never heard either selfishness or selflessness to be emotions.

It's just a state of mind: selfishness is uncaring for others; selflessness is acting on behalf of others without ANY regard for the self.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Show me a GOD-CONCEPT that does not paint God as a figure!!!!

Brahman.

No, you don't get off that easy, I doubt it is half and half, I guess someone would have to total up the count as to how many believe such an event took place. You have my permission to do an exhaustive poll on the subject!!!

Why should I? What other people believe is none of my concern.

Mindsets concern me.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Yes of course I'm blaming individuals, those blinded by a belief system. You may believe anything you like but when that belief system trumps all common sense and reason, the individual is responsible. When fact are readily available and they are ignored because of a belief system, the individual is in fact ignorant!!

THIS kind of thinking is okay, as long as it is realized that it is the responsibility of the individual to take care of that ignorance, or suffer the consequences.

You ask me, this father has paid the full price of his stupidity. Now he must live out the rest of his life in agony.
 

richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
Okay. Is such study absolutely reliable or are scientists looking for better methods?

(PLEASE understand I'm not trying to undermine these scientists' studies.)




I've never heard either selfishness or selflessness to be emotions.

It's just a state of mind: selfishness is uncaring for others; selflessness is acting on behalf of others without ANY regard for the self.

Science is always looking for more reliable methods, nothing in science is absolute, but for now, both their studies show newborns to be insensate.


Selflessness, a very good friend of mine, knowing he would be injured badly or die, put himself in the way of an explosive device, thereby exercising the emotion of selflessness, he did die. Was it not an emotion, thinking he would save other, that was put into action?
 

richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
Brahman.



Why should I? What other people believe is none of my concern.

Mindsets concern me.

Brahman has two meanings, it is part of a class system, Brahman being the highest class, or priest class. Brahman is also a three in one God, Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, even though we are talking about three in one, it still paints a picture of a God or Gods.


If what people believe is no concern of yours, then why did YOU bring up the fact that many Christians and jews you knew, didn't believe in a Global flood???
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Science is always looking for more reliable methods, nothing in science is absolute, but for now, both their studies show newborns to be insensate.

Which follows through my experiences with them. I am in no way disagreeing with the studies.

I'm just saying that insensitivity is selfishness.

Selflessness, a very good friend of mine, knowing he would be injured badly or die, put himself in the way of an explosive device, thereby exercising the emotion of selflessness, he did die. Was it not an emotion, thinking he would save other, that was put into action?

Not quite; the emotion was desire. Thoughts aren't emotions.

You can't think emotions; you FEEL them.
 
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