horrors of religion

[ChristineES]

I have always thought that pacifists had a lot of courage, after all they face the enemy with no weapons and they are fighting for what they believe is right at risk for themselves.

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

I'm sure all those who's freedoms where protected by those who gave their lives are thank full you kind of Pacifism is in the minority. In my book pacifist are cowards.

I've always held, those who could avoid violence at all cost, in high regard.

Unfortunately I'm having trouble adding pictures to posts.

I suppose you would call the young lad who confronted a line of tanks, without a weapon, in Tiananmen Square as a coward?

In my opinion he showed more bravery than the men in those tanks.

 

[dogsgod]

Freedoms are fought for by citizens that fight our own governments. Those that join armies and march off to distant lands are fighting their own personal fears of brown people, they're the cowards.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Who is braver? The man with the gun, or the kid with the flowers?

 

[richardlowellt]

Gandhi was a coward?

Gandhi would use violence whenever it suited him.

 

[richardlowellt]

Good for you!

 

[richardlowellt]

Would you mind reworking that sentence so it's grammatically correct? I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Sorry let me try again, I sure that all those who were protected by those who gave their lives, are glad that people like you were in the minority.

Why? Because we won't squeeze a trigger to kill a man with whom we have no quarrel?

If you have no quarrel with someone who is trying their best to kill or maim you, then something is wrong. Self preservation is one of our strongest traits.
We all have our jobs to do. I will contribute through my stories and poetry. My sword is my pen.

Next to me in battle I'll take someone with a sword over a pen any day.

 

[J Bryson]

Gandhi would use violence whenever it suited him.

I don't recall that, but I have to admit that I've only read positive and glowing biographies of the man. Could you give me an example of when he used violence?

 

[richardlowellt]

If you saw an earlier post of his, he thinks Gandhi was some sort of liar who was out for his own ends. I have a feeling he doesn't have any respect for anything non-American.

In America! lol

Those who would have followed gandhi would have set the country back a hundred years, millions would have starved, he walked around in rags but had visions of grandeur. I have no respect for ignorance, dogmatic thinking, those who are unpatriotic, and cowardly deeds.

 

[richardlowellt]

When were people's freedom protected by non pacifists?

During world war 11 both in the Pacific Theater and in Europe.

 

[J Bryson]

Next to me in battle I'll take someone with a sword over a pen any day.

What if the battle is being fought in the press, or in politics, or even in your local neighborhood association? Dealing with the person with the pen may help, but dealing with the one with the sword will only get you talked about.

 

[richardlowellt]

I have always thought that pacifists had a lot of courage, after all they face the enemy with no weapons and they are fighting for what they believe is right at risk for themselves.

A Pacifist sits and watches as two men surround a family, young mother, father, and three young children, two girls and a boy, both men have guns and begin to torture the mother and children as the father is forced to watch, after raping the young mother she is slowly strangled to death, the attackers now turn on the young girls, soon all will be killed in a most horrible way, the pacifist has access to a gun and at anytime could stop this slaughter, but only by killing both men. In my opinion to sit idly by a do nothing is a criminal offense as well as a moral offense, by doing nothing the pacifist has done as much evil as those who murdered.

 

[tumbleweed41]

During world war 11 both in the Pacific Theater and in Europe.

Was that war, in both theaters, started by pacifists, or warmongers?

 

[richardlowellt]

I've always held, those who could avoid violence at all cost, in high regard.

Unfortunately I'm having trouble adding pictures to posts.

I suppose you would call the young lad who confronted a line of tanks, without a weapon, in Tiananmen Square as a coward?

In my opinion he showed more bravery than the men in those tanks.

Bad application of my premise, he was only in protest.

 

[J Bryson]

Bad application of my premise, he was only in protest.

If your premise cannot stand pacifistic protesting, then perhaps the premise is flawed.

 

[richardlowellt]

Freedoms are fought for by citizens that fight our own governments. Those that join armies and march off to distant lands are fighting their own personal fears of brown people, they're the cowards.

You appear to have zero knowledge of history, who were more brave, the young men who landed on Iwo Jima and fought in horrid condition, and yes they were fighting for their Government, or those who put their tails between there legs and ran to Canada?

 

[tumbleweed41]

A Pacifist sits and watches as two men surround a family, young mother, father, and three young children, two girls and a boy, both men have guns and begin to torture the mother and children as the father is forced to watch, after raping the young mother she is slowly strangled to death, the attackers now turn on the young girls, soon all will be killed in a most horrible way, the pacifist has access to a gun and at anytime could stop this slaughter, but only by killing both men. In my opinion to sit idly by a do nothing is a criminal offense as well as a moral offense, by doing nothing the pacifist has done as much evil as those who murdered.

I think you definition of a pacifist is overly simple.

A pacifist avoids conflict when possible. This does not make them a coward in the face of adversary.

As a former member of the US Military, I know of that which I speak.

 

[richardlowellt]

Who is braver? The man with the gun, or the kid with the flowers?

Once again, bad application of what I am talking about, these people are only in protest. Actually it would take more courage to oppose an armed force with a weapon, stupid maybe, but certainly more courage than sticking a flower in the muzzle of a gun.

 

[richardlowellt]

What if the battle is being fought in the press, or in politics, or even in your local neighborhood association? Dealing with the person with the pen may help, but dealing with the one with the sword will only get you talked about.

I think you know what I am talking about, and its not a battle of words, but if it were then of course I would rather have a strong pen rather than a sword.

 

[richardlowellt]

Was that war, in both theaters, started by pacifists, or warmongers?

It was stared by two leaders who sought world domination, call them warmongers if you like, pacifists lack the courage to start a war.