How are Jews justified in creating the state of Israel?

[free spirit]

That is only true in the most technical of senses. The Zionists were buying lands legally in the region long before the Nazists took power. Had the League of Nations not taken the initiative of recognizing Israel - or for that matter, had Nazism never existed - there would still be a Jewish settlement of some kind there. It wouldn't necessarily be recognized as a State, and it could have all kinds of trouble with military defense and other needs, but I have no doubt that the Zionists meant business quite independently of Nazi Germany.

To be fair, there is equally no doubt that Nazism did provide a lot of incentive in its own, twisted way. But it is not really a root cause of the existence of Israel.




The Jewish people are united by a lot more than just their beliefs, and they went through the trouble of buying the land. Also, Israel has a lot of inhabitants of Muslim faith, among others.

Tensions are a serious problems, to be sure. But I fear that you are presenting things in too simplistic terms to be true to facts.

You are simplistic; according to you buying the land is all that is needed to create a nation

 

[Enoughie]

What is the state of Israel without the Jewish temple? Nothing, that is what it is, because the temple is the center of who they are.

Therefore Jews must say that it is a lie, because it is not the time yet.

The state of Israel without a Jewish Temple is like a fish without a bicycle.

Israel is a mostly secular state, and the people there care very little about prophecy or religion. People told you this fact quite a few times on this thread now. Why do you keep spreading ignorance and propaganda then?

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[arizol]

Yes you are discasting, and also full of yourself: For prove all you have to do is watch the news where palestinians have been evicted from their farms from their homes, Palestinians have a tricol of water, the jews in abondace, Yes the Jews are very generous to the Palestinians certainly more than the nazi were to the people that suffered the holocaust.

The solution to this mess is to declare all palestinians citizens of Israel with equal rights and oblications. A bylingual state with one law.

World opinion is changing as they see the daily injustces suffered by the Palestinians.
Woe to Israel if it does not change

You are so naive with watching news, go visit see for your self and come back.

Yes Jews are very generous with Palestinians because in our place if it was America, Russia or any body else they would bomb the guts out of Palestinians until they stop the violence. The solution is for Arabs to go back where they came from Syria and Jordan. I don't see why should Israel take in those who don't belong there, we are not idiots, we are not going to accept people in to our country who want to openly destroy us, keep wishing.

Arabs openly call for Jewish destruction and you are offering for them to become Israeli citizens witch means you are calling for Jewish destruction, keep wishing.

world opinion? I couldn't care less what the world thinks, the so called world showed on more then one occasion that they do not deserve for us Jews to care what they think.

Woe to Israel? is this a threat? what you gonna do? send your soldiers to get rid of Jews from Israel? bring it on but keep in mind that Israel has nuclear weapons and if it comes to that we would have to be fighting the so called world forces I hope Israel will make it clear to the rest of the world that they will use nuclear weapons on all those who threaten Jewish existens, enough is enough, if we don't have the right to live then NO BODY DOES, we go down we take down every body with us. By the way you are a Christian and I'm not surprised, trust me we have enough faith in G-D to survive all this stupidity.

 

[Rakhel]

Rumors about Jews tearing down the Mosque are what, correct me if I am wrong, started a majority of the riots in Jerusalem as well as a first Intafatdah(sp) when Sharon took his first steps on the mound.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Yes Jews are very generous with Palestinians because in our place if it was America, Russia or any body else they would bomb the guts out of Palestinians until they stop the violence. The solution is for Arabs to go back where they came from Syria and Jordan. I don't see why should Israel take in those who don't belong there, we are not idiots.

See this is where I put my foot down and draw the line. They do belong there. They and their fathers lived there while the majority of Jews still lived in Europe for centuries. The Palestinians do belong there, and Israelis should not just be able to force them to leave.

 

[arizol]

Well I think a two state solution would be best because it doesn't seem the Jews and Palestinians will ever be able to live under one nation.

Never, until Islam reforms its ideas and believes, until Islam openly admits its goal is not to destroy Israel there will be no peace.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Never, until Islam reforms its ideas and believes, until Islam openly admits its goal is not to destroy Israel there will be no peace.

So now it's suddenly become about Islam and not just the Palestinians?

 

[arizol]

Rumors about Jews tearing down the Mosque are what, correct me if I am wrong, started a majority of the riots in Jerusalem as well as a first Intafatdah(sp) when Sharon took his first steps on the mound.

Sister we know very well no body is tearing down any Mosques, what surprises me is that there are people here on RF who claim to be educated but actually believe that stuff, its not that hard to actually check if any body is destroying a mosque.

 

[Revoltingest]

.....I hope Israel will make it clear to the rest of the world that they will use nuclear weapons on all those who threaten Jewish existens, enough is enough, if we don't have the right to live then NO BODY DOES, we go down we take down every body with us.

You make Islamic fundamentalists look like peaceful pussycats in comparison.
I hope your views aren't very widespread.....especially in politicians.

 

[LuisDantas]

You are simplistic; according to you buying the land is all that is needed to create a nation

As long as there are no competing claimants, well, yes, I sure do think so.

What else is missing?

 

[Flankerl]

The Israelis do not want to live in harmony. If this was the case they wouldnt be building more settlements on Palestinain land and then calling them terrosists when they try to resist their homes being bulldozed. Israel will devour as much land as it can and the west will continue to support this by supplying them with arms etc as it has done for decades. In the meanwhile Palestine is not allowed to buy a brick to rebuild a school or medication for this sick. Meanwhile the west supports Israel and then shows a face of mediator in the media.

Ah the good old jewish hive mind theory. Yes all israeli jews think always the same and stand behind anything a fellow israeli jew does.

You got it!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You make Islamic fundamentalists look like peaceful pussycats in comparison.
I hope your views aren't very widespread.....especially in politicians.

Dude, do you know what's knowing on politically in Israel right now?

The people are becoming extremely anti-Arab -- to the point of becoming a Jewish theocracy rather than a Jewish democracy. The difference is this: Arabs will be forbidden to vote and possibly lose their citizenship and rights to social services, and rather impolitely asked to leave the country.

All we need is for these extremists to vote in a like minded parliment and Prime Minister...

 

[arizol]

See this is where I put my foot down and draw the line. They do belong there. They and their fathers lived there while the majority of Jews still lived in Europe for centuries. The Palestinians do belong there, and Israelis should not just be able to force them to leave.

they belong in Syria and Jordan, thats where they lived, they speak the same language that people speak in Syria and Jordan, heck there is even no letter P in arabic alphabet what Palestine are we talking about.

How blind can you be? you want to make peace with people who openly call for a genocide? After Israel permits Arabs in to Israel you think there will be peace? they openly call for Jewish genocide but yes you don't care.

You draw the line? so why don't you take care of those poor Palestinians, you care so much for them but want others to sacrifice them selfs for so called Palestinians. Jews do not belong in Europe and Europe showed it on more then one occasion, It is mind boggling how Europe created the entire mess and rather then dealing with it like real men they back stabbed Israel, losers.

The two state solution is not going to work, it will only bring more wars and you will ask Israel to give up even more and more, eventually Israeli citizens will get tired of it and to survive Israel will have to kick Arabs out so why not do it now with out violence rather then doing it latter when a lot of blood will be spilled.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dude, do you know what's knowing on politically in Israel right now?
The people are becoming extremely anti-Arab -- to the point of becoming a Jewish theocracy rather than a Jewish democracy. The difference is this: Arabs will be forbidden to vote and possibly lose their citizenship and rights to social services, and rather impolitely asked to leave the country.
All we need is for these extremists to vote in a like minded parliment and Prime Minister...

Yeah....things don't look great. But the notion that raging self-obsessed Jews want to kill everyone
else if they're threatened is a couple orders of magnitude worse. That is the attitude I hope is rare.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Yeah....things don't look great. But the notion that raging self-obsessed Jews want to kill everyone
else if they're threatened is a couple orders of magnitude worse. That is the attitude I hope is rare.

It seems to me that Israel's use of direct force with Palestine is more carefully measured and restrained than say - it's much more agressive use of force with Lebanon.

The most often used form of agression with Palestine is not armed, it's the regulation of imports and the borders, which Israel pretty much has controlled arbitrarily with little concern for the needs of the Palestinian people.

 

[Revoltingest]

It seems to me that Israel's use of direct force with Palestine is more carefully measured and restrained than say - it's much more agressive use of force with Lebanon.
The most often used form of agression with Palestine is not armed, it's the regulation of imports and the borders, which Israel pretty much has controlled arbitrarily with little concern for the needs of the Palestinian people.

Rather than crushing the Palestinians....just grinding them down, eh?
Wrong, but at least it isn't thermonuclear thuggery.

 

[Enoughie]

So now it's suddenly become about Islam and not just the Palestinians?

Islam is as integral to this conflict as Palestinians or Israelis are. Islamic countries are the main catalyst to violence in the region (see Hamas, Hizballah, Iran).

Moreover, when Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel it was kicked out of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) - which is the organization that coordination Muslim cooperation.

If not for their negative influence in Palestine, and support of Palestinians terror, there would have been peace between Israelis and Palestinians a very long time ago.

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[angellous_evangellous]

Rather than crushing the Palestinians....just grinding them down, eh?
Wrong, but at least it isn't thermonuclear thuggery.

Depriving a whole people of the hope of a peaceful and healthy life is almost as good as...

 

[fallingblood]

Yep pretty much. Once they're done with Palestine they'll move on to Lebanon and Jordan. After all that was once part of ancient Israel as well. They'll find some way to justify it. All I have to say is they better not mess with Egypt, or there will be heck to pay.

I think your hatred for Israel is really shining through now. And I have to say that it is simply based on ignorance. You've created illogical arguments as to why Israel is evil, yet, when well informed individuals on this site have tried to correct you, you simply dismiss the information and continue with how evil Israel is.

I see no evidence of Israel wanting to take over all that land. Maybe some do, but I would say that is a minority. I understand that the Israelis are tired of the ordeal, as they have been attacked various times from surrounding countries (which raises the question, why was it okay for Egypt to attack Israel, yet the other way around is evil? You may want to answer that sometime). So I'm sure they are weary, but I see no evidence for a massive campaign like you are suggesting. Especially since they aren't stupid.

As for the United States giving all of this money to Israel, it was already explained why. We don't need to protect them, they do so fine by themselves. Maybe you want to drop the hate speech, and look at it in a rational manner. Because honestly, all of the hatred and ignorance you've been spreading lately (both about Islam and Israel) is really sickening.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

they belong in Syria and Jordan, thats where they lived, they speak the same language that people speak in Syria and Jordan, heck there is even no letter P in arabic alphabet what Palestine are we talking about.

How blind can you be? you want to make peace with people who openly call for a genocide? After Israel permits Arabs in to Israel you think there will be peace? they openly call for Jewish genocide but yes you don't care.

You draw the line? so why don't you take care of those poor Palestinians, you care so much for them but want others to sacrifice them selfs for so called Palestinians. Jews do not belong in Europe and Europe showed it on more then one occasion, It is mind boggling how Europe created the entire mess and rather then dealing with it like real men they back stabbed Israel, losers.

The two state solution is not going to work, it will only bring more wars and you will ask Israel to give up even more and more, eventually Israeli citizens will get tired of it and to survive Israel will have to kick Arabs out so why not do it now with out violence rather then doing it latter when a lot of blood will be spilled.

The Palestinians call for Jewish genocide after having genocide done to them first.