How are these Great Beings explained?

[Unveiled Artist]

There is nothing in the Gospels that would make Christians go to war with each other but they did so all I can conclude is they didn't get that tradition to go to war from Christ or the Gospels.

There have been so many religious wars based on what? Someone has duped a lot of Christians to fight along with them using religion as a pretext when in reality if you go to the actual book you will find it says not to kill.

People cause wars in the name of their faith.

Thats like saying as a Catholic I would have caused wars because I do believe in tradition and never thought it was man made but god made.

Thats rediculous.

Can you justify why I didnt think of war if traditions not people are the cause of it?

 

[Vinayaka]

I've learnt about some of the major sects thanks to you but isn't Brahma God? Is Brahma God as in everything or God as in a personal God which some Hindus I read believe in?

Brahma, Brahman, and Brahmin are all different things. Brahman is 'as in everything'. We monistic Saivites have a similar view called ParaShiva, or ParaBrahman.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your saying the painter and the painting are one and the same which is impossible. If that were true, the painting would have painted itself and we all know that's not true as an artist did.

Youre not an artist, I assume.

Remember, spiritual truth is not tangible. Physical truth is. The art and passion is the artist spiritual truth. His paints and art itself is his physical. They are embedded in each other.

Love cannot be separated from the action of love. Define love without action and speech.

I ask again.

Our loves are different.

My expressions IS my truth.

Be honest and call me a lier and/or tell me what my truth is if you discard my expressions.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Brahma, Brahman, and Brahmin are all different things. Brahman is 'as in everything'. We monistic Saivites have a similar view called ParaShiva, or ParaBrahman.

What is Brahmin? I know The Buddha sppke of Brahman. I dont think he cared to much for them. Interesting connection.

 

[loverofhumanity]

People cause wars in the name of their faith.

Thats like saying as a Catholic I would have caused wars because I do believe in tradition and never thought it was man made but god made.

Thats rediculous.

Can you justify why I didnt think of war if traditions not people are the cause of it?

If a tradition is in accordance with the Word of God it will produce good things and if not anything is possible.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Youre not an artist, I assume.

Remember, spiritual truth is not tangible. Physical truth is. The art and passion is the artist spiritual truth. His paints and art itself is his physical. They are embedded in each other.

Love cannot be separated from the action of love. Define love without action and speech.

I ask again.

Our loves are different.

My expressions IS my truth.

Be honest and call me a lier and/or tell me what my truth is if you discard my expressions.

You express love and truth the way you know how as do I and others. But it's still love and truth. Our diversity translates love and truth into different actions but the motive behind the action is the same.

I respect your way of expressing yourself. That's how you are and I admire that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If a tradition is in accordance with the Word of God it will produce good things and if not anything is possible.

So lets stick with people using their traditions And beliefs for the good.

My expression of love has actually been passed down from my father who expresses things in one way. I also another set of expressions from my mothers side.

I found out two years ago during thanksgiving my aunts share the same expression as my father (his sisters) and on back. My mothers family comes together as a family family in the south. The expression say love I experienced there is profound.

All of these expressions ARE my truths. They are my passjons, my thirst, my love. They are my truth because I am the only one with these specific traditions in my family that no other family shares cause they dont have my family.

I cannot separate these expressions from love. Its defined specifically by the traditions above.

You have discarded all my expressions. My truth.

What is my truth independant of my expressions?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You express love and truth the way you know how as do I and others. But it's still love and truth. Our diversity translates love and truth into different actions but the motive behind the action is the same.

I respect your way of expressing yourself. That's how you are and I admire that.

My recent post address this actually.

My expression Is my truth.

What is my truth apart from my expression?

 

[Vinayaka]

What is Brahmin? I know The Buddha sppke of Brahman. I dont think he cared to much for them. Interesting connection.

Brahmin is the name for the priestly caste. Traditionally the Brahmins only took care of temples, but with secularism and all the anti-Hindu western ideas, out of necessity for survival, they branced into other occupations. Many still keep their traditions, like we have a Brahmin renter now in my basement. So he's pure vegetarian, does all the ritual samskaras and all that.

Brahman is more complicated, as it's actually beyond all words or description, but the intellectuals have all attempted it. In very simplistic terms, its the underlying causal principle, and also the underlying energy in everything, simultaneously. Formless absolute reality. The substratum of all that exists.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Brahmin is the name for the priestly caste. Traditionally the Brahmins only took care of temples, but with secularism and all the anti-Hindu western ideas, out of necessity for survival, they branced into other occupations. Many still keep their traditions, like we have a Brahmin renter now in my basement. So he's pure vegetarian, does all the ritual samskaras and all that.

Brahman is more complicated, as it's actually beyond all words or description, but the intellectuals have all attempted it. In very simplistic terms, its the underlying causal principle, and also the underlying energy in everything, simultaneously. Formless absolute reality. The substratum of all that exists.

Thanks.

I wonder if how I'm describing "god" is better termed as Brahman. I explained it as energy rather than a being or spirit. The spark that makes life, well life. I don't know what you'd call it in a general sense but every living being and living environment has it. What would be the difference between that concept or description (very simplistic as well) and how Hindu would define Braham? Is the concept only based in Hinduism or is that one "reality" or spark present in all from a Hinduis point of view?

 

[Vinayaka]

Thanks.

I wonder if how I'm describing "god" is better termed as Brahman. I explained it as energy rather than a being or spirit. The spark that makes life, well life. I don't know what you'd call it in a general sense but every living being and living environment has it. What would be the difference between that concept or description (very simplistic as well) and how Hindu would define Braham? Is the concept only based in Hinduism or is that one "reality" or spark present in all from a Hinduis point of view?

Even the inanimate have this 'spark' as you say. I see God in this way. In Hinduism, some will say Brahman is God, and some will say it isn't. But that is mostly just in defining stuff, not in the concept itself. Those who deny that Brahman is God are mostly just opposed to the Abrahamic definition of God, the one that is a Supreme Being, eternally separate from man. So there are lots of words that get confused, "Being" and "God" being two more. And it's hard to delve into it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

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Even the inanimate have this 'spark' as you say. I see God in this way. In Hinduism, some will say Brahman is God, and some will say it isn't. But that is mostly just in defining stuff, not in the concept itself. Those who deny that Brahman is God are mostly just opposed to the Abrahamic definition of God, the one that is a Supreme Being, eternally separate from man. So there are lots of words that get confused, "Being" and "God" being two more. And it's hard to delve into it.

Yeah. Thats different. I wouldnt define the spark as an actual being. Maybe there are beings and people that are personifications of the spark to relate to it better. But confusing incarnations with the spark is somewhat off. Confuses me.

Hence why I dont get christianity.

To me its more we Have life andnwe Are life rather than we are given life. So inanimate things since they are energy etc too have the same thing.

I always wondered why this mystery is special to be worshiped. I appreciate and grateful for living but to worship life means Im not its equal.

Id be a weird Hindu if I became one.

 

[Vinayaka]

Id be a weird Hindu if I became one.

There are plenty of weird Hindus already. We don't really need any more.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Brahma, Brahman, and Brahmin are all different things. Brahman is 'as in everything'. We monistic Saivites have a similar view called ParaShiva, or ParaBrahman.

If this is correct then your concept is almost identical to our concept of God...... which we also say is beyond description and comprehension.

Para Brahman (Sanskrit:परब्रह्मन्) (IAST: Para Brahman) is the "Highest Brahman" that which is beyond all descriptions and conceptualisations.

 

[loverofhumanity]

My recent post address this actually.

My expression Is my truth.

What is my truth apart from my expression?

Your expression is the outward manifestation of your inward truth. Your inward truth still exists with or without expression.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So lets stick with people using their traditions And beliefs for the good.

My expression of love has actually been passed down from my father who expresses things in one way. I also another set of expressions from my mothers side.

I found out two years ago during thanksgiving my aunts share the same expression as my father (his sisters) and on back. My mothers family comes together as a family family in the south. The expression say love I experienced there is profound.

All of these expressions ARE my truths. They are my passjons, my thirst, my love. They are my truth because I am the only one with these specific traditions in my family that no other family shares cause they dont have my family.

I cannot separate these expressions from love. Its defined specifically by the traditions above.

You have discarded all my expressions. My truth.

What is my truth independant of my expressions?

I'm saying your outward expression cannot exist without your inner truth but your inner truth can exists without an expression of it outwardly.

The sun is independent of its rays but the rays are dependent on the sun.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your expression is the outward manifestation of your inward truth. Your inward truth still exists with or without expression.

No. Only with expression. It can't be divorced from it. That's why I asked the question.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm saying your outward expression cannot exist without your inner truth but your inner truth can exists without an expression of it outwardly.

The sun is independent of its rays but the rays are dependent on the sun.

Nope. Both exist depending on each other. Without my art, there is no love (picking an emotion). Without love, there is no art.

Have to have both.

 

[loverofhumanity]

No. Only with expression. It can't be divorced from it. That's why I asked the question.

You can have a belief without expressing it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You can have a belief without expressing it.

Nope. It would be new age and kinda funky. Have to have both. Even if I dance ritual or sing, it has to be some sort of art for me to experience what you call a "mystical experience" or love etc.