How are these Great Beings explained?

[Vinayaka]

If this is correct then your concept is almost identical to our concept of God...... which we also say is beyond description and comprehension.

Para Brahman (Sanskrit:परब्रह्मन्) (IAST: Para Brahman) is the "Highest Brahman" that which is beyond all descriptions and conceptualisations.

Yes, I could have easily predicted you would say that. I wouldn't know for sure as only a very deep mystical experience would allow me to figure it out. Saying it and realising it are two very different things. Most certainly if you believed in it the same way as us, you would be apostate to Christianity and a heretic to Islam, punishable by excommunication, death, or both. But hey if that's what you want, go for it.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Nope. It would be new age and kinda funky. Have to have both. Even if I dance ritual or sing, it has to be some sort of art for me to experience what you call a "mystical experience" or love etc.

Everyone's different. Welcome to diversity!

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes, I could have easily predicted you would say that. I wouldn't know for sure as only a very deep mystical experience would allow me to figure it out. Saying it and realising it are two very different things. Most certainly if you believed in it the same way as us, you would be apostate to Christianity and a heretic to Islam, punishable by excommunication, death, or both. But hey if that's what you want, go for it.

This says something very similar and is from our Writings.

That which we imagine, is not the Reality of God; He, the Unknowable, the Unthinkable, is far beyond the highest conception of man.”

 

[Vinayaka]

This says something very similar and is from our Writings.

That which we imagine, is not the Reality of God; He, the Unknowable, the Unthinkable, is far beyond the highest conception of man.”

So then how can you include Islam and Christianity and Buddhism in your belief system? And if you're actually a Hindu, why not just give up on Bahai and become one?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Everyone's different. Welcome to diversity!

Cant have diversity under a one truth rule. Youre not promoting diversity. Thats my point.

How you going to have a conversation and learn if you cut off discussions and have no interest in learning my and @Vinayaka point of view?

 

[Vinayaka]

Cant have diversity under a one truth rule. Youre not promoting diversity. Thats my point.

How you going to have a conversation and learn if you cut off discussions and have no interest in learning my and @Vinayaka point of view?

It's not discussion, its selective discussion. It's very similar to the 'pick and choose' method of Bahais and scriptures. If there is a question or topic or scripture that supplies obvious contradictions, the method is to just avoid and ignore it. Interesting methodology. Wouldn't work for me, but hey its worked so far here.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You express love and truth the way you know how as do I and others. But it's still love and truth. Our diversity translates love and truth into different actions but the motive behind the action is the same.

I respect your way of expressing yourself. That's how you are and I admire that.

My expressions are my truth. Regardless if you disagree, youre not answering the question.

My truth IS physical and spiritual embedded in each other. If love is your truth and you did say it is everyones, and my expression is my truth, describe my expression as your truth.

 

[paarsurrey]

How do we explain these Great Beings: Buddha, Moses, Krishna, Christ, Zoroaster, Muhammad, the Bab & Bahaullah? They are somewhat unique and unparalleled in human history and were clearly not ordinary people.

There are famous people in history, famous artists, musicians and scientists but none can compare to the influence of the Educator, Teacher, Messiah or Prophet.

But Who were they? And why were they and still are so influential throughout history? Why did they inspire civilizations? Why have their scriptures become patterns of life followed daily by billions of people for thousands of years?

What gift did they possess to be able to be persecuted, oppressed, tortured, exiled and crucified by the most despotic and powerful leaders of their age with but a handful of followers and yet eventually triumph over adversity and establish Their Cause all over the world?

Statues, Churches, Temples, Pagodas, Mosques and Synagogues are built all over the world to pay tribute to these Great Souls.

Are they from another world? Did they pre exist? Without a special power how could they have accomplished what they did and who is their equal in influence?

And aren't we in dire need of another Great Spiritual Teacher to revive us spiritually?

I would like to say that the list may be revised as follows:

"Buddha, Moses, Krishna, Jesus, Zoroaster, Muhammad?"​

I agree with other contents of the post.
The great spiritual teacher mentioned in the end of the post has already come, his name is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
Everybody to please note.
Regards

 

[Esoqq]

We are speaking about spiritual truth here. The spiritual world is not the world of illusion and does not know of three barriers. There is no such thing as x and y in the spiritual world.

It's an illusion. We are both capable of having similar mystical experiences as we are both human. This claim to uniqueness and exclusivity is a myth that doesn't exist. It's imaginary.

You might get you light from a candle and myself from an oil lamp. Light is still light but the intensity may differ or you may wear green coloured glasses and me red. It's still all light we see.

Very well put.

 

[Esoqq]

It seems to me that what is being called truth is in reality belief. Belief can differ from person to person, but truth is universal, absolute and unchangeable. The difference is the human mind. Belief is the product of the mind trying to understand that which the human mind is incapable of understanding.
My method for searching for truth is to examine any religion, science, practice, etc. and search for that which they agree upon. While this is not a perfect method, (we're still forced to use the human mind,) but what I've found makes much sense than any other method I'm aware of.
Using this method reveals that the one thing that they all have in common is Love. Love of God, Love of one another, love of nature, love of life.

 

[Vinayaka]

It seems to me that what is being called truth is in reality belief. Belief can differ from person to person, but truth is universal, absolute and unchangeable.

If the truth is universal, then why do prophet based religions need that particular prophet? If truth was universal, then you could just go anywhere and find it, right? There would be no need for Jesus, for Muhammed, for Baha'u'llah.

 

[CG Didymus]

We understand that when man's will is contrary to God's laws and ways then problems and things like wars break out. God only teaches to love and accept not to hate and kill.

So where do religionists get the idea to have wars with each other? Through some traditions that are not founded on the Word.

You have read the Bible haven't you? Who told the Israelites to kill the people in the land of Canaan? Why did David kill Philistines? Why couldn't they accept and love them?

 

[CG Didymus]

We understand that when man's will is contrary to God's laws and ways then problems and things like wars break out. God only teaches to love and accept not to hate and kill.

So where do religionists get the idea to have wars with each other? Through some traditions that are not founded on the Word.

Wait, there's more. God does want the nations to rise up and fight against a tyrant, right. He does want capital punishment for evil people, right. So you got people killing, because God said in those situations it was all right.

Any basic course on ancient people and their religions, all of them had their own beliefs and their own gods. Lots of them believed they were the "chosen ones." They prayed and sacrificed to their gods for victory. Moses had the help of his God in his battles.

How different were those ancient religions? Not a lot, they had similarities. Creation stories, even flood stories, god/men, even wars among the gods. It really looks like those unknown manifestations you've mentioned didn't do a very good job. Maybe the current ones too.

Oh, that reminds me. Progressive revelation? What was the first religion that taught monogamy in marriage? Maybe Christianity? If so, why did Muhammad go back to polygamy? And as far as being a perfect example, Why did the man who would later declare himself to be Baha'u'llah have multiple wives?

Oh, and what about Krishna and the Gopi girls? Not that I have anything against what he did, but for a manifestation to be fooling around like that is a little out of character isn't it?

 

[CG Didymus]

If the truth is universal, then why do prophet based religions need that particular prophet? If truth was universal, then you could just go anywhere and find it, right? There would be no need for Jesus, for Muhammed, for Baha'u'llah.

You know, supposedly, God walked and talked with Adam. He spoke to Moses and others. Tons of prophets wrote down what is God's Word. But that, isn't The Truth. So, I wonder, what the Baha'is elief believe this universal truth could be?

I hope they say more than just "love." I expect things like, "I am the Lord thy God. These are my Commandments. Do them, obey them." Or, something like, "In the beginning God created everything in six days. Adam and Eve sinned and had to curse everybody. Now everyone is born in sin. God feels bad about that, so he sent his only son to pay the ransom. Accept him and you will be saved. Don't, and I have no choice but to cast you into hell with the devil and his angels."

So already, basic beliefs of two religions, and there is already two "The Truths". What about religions that teach reincarnation as "The Truth"? Baha'is have already said that there is no such thing as reincarnation. So that's not "The Truth". Jesus didn't rise physically from the dead, so any religion that teaches that is not "The Truth."

So what is "The Truth"? Whatever Baha'u'llah says it is.

 

[Esoqq]

If the truth is universal, then why do prophet based religions need that particular prophet? If truth was universal, then you could just go anywhere and find it, right? There would be no need for Jesus, for Muhammed, for Baha'u'llah.

What can I say, when you're right, you're right. The various messengers were not divine or even perfect humans for that matter. (As far as I can tell, the only perfect human in any of the holy writings was Joseph of the coat of many colors fame. Like all humans they are the product of their life experiences and their limited human intelligence or mind. This is why so much of their teachings involve the society in which they live. The basic message is one of love and cooperation and the various messengers understood that and tried to apply the message to the flaws in their culture.
The Manifestation on the other hand is another story. It doesn't have the limitations of a human mind or human life experiences. It has a mission, that mission is to redirect humanity back to it's spiritual roots and at the heart of it's message is love. Love for God, love for one another, love of nature, etc.

 

[CG Didymus]

If a tradition is in accordance with the Word of God it will produce good things and if not anything is possible.

That's a little backwards. People get talked into, born into, even forced into following a religious tradition because they are supposedly the "Word of God". Then, another religion tells them and shows them how they are wrong. Some convert, other don't. Some even fight over it.

So, one more time, are any of the religions, other than the Baha'i Faith, teaching the absolute, undiluted, or unpolluted truth? I can't see how you can say anything but "no". And that is why a new manifestation from God had to come, to renew the Truth. That is the prophecy you've used. When the religion dies out, that's when the new guy comes back. So no matter what any of us believe, it is wrong. Yet, you say you respect the other religions?

 

[CG Didymus]

If this is correct then your concept is almost identical to our concept of God...... which we also say is beyond description and comprehension.

Para Brahman (Sanskrit:परब्रह्मन्) (IAST: Para Brahman) is the "Highest Brahman" that which is beyond all descriptions and conceptualisations.

Does your God have a Shiva and a Vishnu and many other lessor Gods? Does your God have a Son? If he does than does he have a wife too?

 

[Vinayaka]

What can I say, when you're right, you're right. The various messengers were not divine or even perfect humans for that matter. (As far as I can tell, the only perfect human in any of the holy writings was Joseph of the coat of many colors fame. Like all humans they are the product of their life experiences and their limited human intelligence or mind. This is why so much of their teachings involve the society in which they live. The basic message is one of love and cooperation and the various messengers understood that and tried to apply the message to the flaws in their culture.
The Manifestation on the other hand is another story. It doesn't have the limitations of a human mind or human life experiences. It has a mission, that mission is to redirect humanity back to it's spiritual roots and at the heart of it's message is love. Love for God, love for one another, love of nature, etc.

Now I'm confused even more. What exactly is 'The Manifestation'?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So then how can you include Islam and Christianity and Buddhism in your belief system? And if you're actually a Hindu, why not just give up on Bahai and become one?

We believe all these religions from the same God. But that they brought Teachings relevant for the needs of their age.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Does your God have a Shiva and a Vishnu and many other lessor Gods? Does your God have a Son? If he does than does he have a wife too?

We just believe in one God Who is beyond our comprehension and we only know of Him through the Prophets and Manifestations.