There are indeed self proclaimed prophets but then there are also the Ones God sends to humanity for our spiritual guidance.
We believe in and follow the God sent Ones.
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There are indeed self proclaimed prophets but then there are also the Ones God sends to humanity for our spiritual guidance.
We believe in and follow the God sent Ones.
They broke off because Luther was in absolute disagreement with the teachings of the Catholic Church. He showed in his list of grievances that the teachings were NOT in the Bible. And there are scriptures which warn NOT to add to His Word. I did post them a few days ago. Proverbs: 30: 6. And Revelation 22: 18. Are 2 of them.
arthra
Baha'i
Regarding self proclaimed prophets... The imperative is to investigate them and see their "fruits". When Abdul-Baha was in Paris around 1911 He provided a model..
No one casts stones at a tree without fruit. No one tries to extinguish a lamp without light!
Regard the former times. Had the calumnies of Pharaoh any effect? He affirmed that Moses was a murderer, that he had slain a man and deserved to be executed! He also declared that Moses and Aaron were fomenters of discord, that they tried to destroy the religion of Egypt and therefore must be put to death. These words of Pharaoh were vainly spoken. The light of Moses shone. The radiance of the Law of God has encircled the world!
When the Pharisees said of Christ that He had broken the Sabbath Day, that He had defied the Law of Moses, that He had threatened to destroy the Temple and the Holy City of Jerusalem, and that He deserved to be crucified -- We know that all these slanderous attacks had no result in hindering the spread of the Gospel!
The Sun of Christ shone brilliantly in the sky, and the breath of the Holy Spirit wafted over the whole earth!
And I say unto you that no calumny is able to prevail against the Light of God; it can only result in causing it to be more universally recognized. If a cause were of no significance, who would take the trouble to work against it!
~ Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 104
No one casts stones at a tree without fruit. No one tries to extinguish a lamp without light!
Regard the former times. Had the calumnies of Pharaoh any effect? He affirmed that Moses was a murderer, that he had slain a man and deserved to be executed! He also declared that Moses and Aaron were fomenters of discord, that they tried to destroy the religion of Egypt and therefore must be put to death. These words of Pharaoh were vainly spoken. The light of Moses shone. The radiance of the Law of God has encircled the world!
When the Pharisees said of Christ that He had broken the Sabbath Day, that He had defied the Law of Moses, that He had threatened to destroy the Temple and the Holy City of Jerusalem, and that He deserved to be crucified -- We know that all these slanderous attacks had no result in hindering the spread of the Gospel!
The Sun of Christ shone brilliantly in the sky, and the breath of the Holy Spirit wafted over the whole earth!
And I say unto you that no calumny is able to prevail against the Light of God; it can only result in causing it to be more universally recognized. If a cause were of no significance, who would take the trouble to work against it!
~ Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 104
Unveiled Artist
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Dreams aren't spiritual. What we experience etc in dreams are deform things we already experienced in everyday life. That's like saying when I creative write something that isn't distinguishable with a name it exists outside my experiences and other things that influence and define the art even if I can't categorize it.
I agree with some religions where the body and spirit are joined. When the body dies without good rest, it upsets the spirit. When you do rituals to heal the spirits then they can better rest and if they want take care of their loved ones. I mean, when someone dies, we can feel their presence around us. If spirits are separate from the body, they wouldn't influence us physically and psychologically. However, because spirit and body are connected, and family are one blood, they connect with us just as they did with their own bodies.
That's how we communicate or pray to spirits is because they communicate back with us through our bodies. To say they are separate is saying that I'm disattached to my family because my body died and I can't communicate with them anymore.
As for Catholicism, from what I experienced, it's not the same as above. They'd call that paganism or witchcraft. It's just how people connect to christ. If anything, out of statues, mary, and jehosaphat, if people want to criticize the Church, I'd focus on the Eucharist (consecrated bread and wine) because that is the only "object" that is worshiped.. Nothing else.
Also, Catholics know that they see actual bread and actual wine. I mean, I had seizures from going to Mass weekly and realize that I was drinking alcohol. Maybe people are ignorant or oblivious to it but if you asked them if what they think is jesus christ is actual bread, holding bread, and taste like bread, it may take them awhile, but they will admit it's bread "on the outside."
A theologian saint studied the Eucharist and said that the accidents are bread and wine but the substance (if I got the two right) are jesus christ.
Some people call it symbolism. Jesus actually appears when more than one person comes together so it's not. Mass is celebrated daily.. so..
Unveiled Artist
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Catholics have the same verses as protestant bibles. Protestants took out a lot from the original bible.
That, and Luther believed in Consubstantiation:
The doctrine that the substance of the body and blood of Christ coexist in and with the substance of the bread and wine of the Eucharist.
I saw on a documentary or something that Luther was killed by his Catholic brother because Luther left the Church or something.
Also, remember, Roman Catholic doesn't speak for all Catholics.
These swelling words are referring to the religious leaders who always oppose God's Prophets and have even crucified them.
I think there's much more to dreams than what you're admitting. We travel, hear, see, speak without using the physical body. There's much more to it than what you're saying.
One can travel to places one has never been or seen and do things one has never done in ones earthly life. If it was all just a replay there wouldn't be new things.
R
Such 'swelling words' are used often by those endeavouring to seduce human minds into believing something. Something which more than likely is more beneficial to the speaker than the hearers who believe the words.
I found this too so could not accept Catholicism as Christianity anymore. Churchism would be a more appropriate term but they go against many of the Bible's teachings. However they are good people mostly.
So how can we tell?
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Matthew 7:15-16
Yes more than likely we won't see the one speaking those words sacrificing his life for the good of others.
Well said.
Dreams can be very spiritual and Peter spoke of these at Pentecost.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams
Acts 2:16-17
The prophets in God's Written Word are to be believed and accepted because the ARE in the Written Word. And any argument as to the books of the Bible being put together by human hand in assembling the Bible as we have it is not a valid argument. Because God would have caused His Bible to exist in the way it exists. No human could have put in or kept out anything Unintended by God. This is the absolute core belief which God looks for in those who claim to be believers in His Word. The Living Word. Jesus. The Written Word. Do not add to it or diminish from it.
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Unveiled Artist
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All of that is in our minds-the neurons in our brains that sends information back and forth. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't see it as mysterious or spiritual since I don't divide the two with the body and earth etc.
Unveiled Artist
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We can see or interpret dreams as spiritual but the definition and nature of dreams are from the brain not from a spirit. We can interpret dreams however our religion says. If going by "science" there is a difference between belief and facts.
Nothing wrong with that.
The only place where absolute truth is to be found is in God's Written Word. No falseness exists. And the common argument of it being full of contradictions is from a human point of view. Who can know the mind of God? Who can say what is and what isn't in the Written Word of the Almighty God? God knows why His Bible exists in the form that it does. Not to question it, but to believe it.
You don't see how you can walk, talk, hear and speak without using you eyes, ears, tongue or feet?
Tahirih met the Bab in a dream and became His follower in it but never actually met Him personally. She dreamt of His Words in a dream, then when she read them in the waking world she automatically accepted Him.
The resurrection of Christ was an actual vision not a physical reality as was the spiritual vision on Mount Tabor.
And you are saying dreams and visions are irrelevant? Strange indeed.
The problem comes down to interpretation though. For example if you discuss religion with the Jews on this site they will all tell you with absolute sincerity and conviction that not one verse in the Hebrew bible refers to Jesus.
One Christian has a belief about the bible that contradicts another. Then we have a war between the Protestants and Catholics. Then how many protestant sects agree with each other. It comes down to interpretation again.
Sometimes science and religion go hand in hand. Daniel in the OT, as with Joseph were both famous for their interpretation of dreams. It was at least in part a spiritual phenomenon.
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