How are these Great Beings explained?

[Evie]

Yes, solid evidence. The NT is solid. It is the rock, yet even Protestants don't agree? I get the feeling that what ever Christian group you belong to believes they have the correct interpretation of the whole Bible. How did they get it? Do they take everything literal? Or, do they have to make some decisions on what some of the more difficult passages and doctrine mean?

A true believer in God's Written Word will move God's Hand to open their eyes as they meditate on scripture.

 

[Evie]

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A true believer in God's Written Word will move God's Hand to open their eyes as they meditate on scripture.

The believer will receive direct from the mouth of God through Jesus His Word. No human can do that for you. It is you and God. The reconciliation. The simple message of the Gospel of Christ.

 

[Evie]

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So that actual time of Friday night to Saturday night is not Biblical anymore? How about what the Bible says to do or not to do on the Sabbath? Those no longer apply? So a Bible Law, a Law from God can change?[/QUOTE. All of God,s created laws are forever and everlasting. But mankind is absolutely unable to keep them. And to break one is to be guilty of all. So unless a person is absolutely innocent of not breaking the other 9 commandments, the person is not receiving one iota of righteousness by keeping the Sabbath. The whole reason for Jesus, His crucifixion and His rising from the tomb was to free us from our efforts to try and do the impossible. That being the 10 commandments. Jesus did NOT do away with any of God's law, he transcended the law. Every human being is corrupt by nature, no exceptions, and any person can only claim righteousness by belief in Him. Our righteousness is IN HIM.

 

[Evie]

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He did for us what we could not do for ourselves. His purity is ours to accept. We are covered in His Righteousness in God's eyes if we believe in Jesus as the Son Of God come in the flesh, and the message of the saving grace of the Gospel.

 

[CG Didymus]

Followers of Jesus REST IN HIM.

Hey Evie,

You are not the only ones. Millions of people all over the planet are trying to build a safer world.

Referring to the posts about the Blueprints from God.... "Ah, hey boss... ah... Jesus left these blueprints, but I can't make heads or tails outta them."

"Let me see those." Holds them upside down. "Sure, looky here we put the plumbing in over there. And over here we'll put the garage. And, I don't know what this is, so we'll leave it out."

"Ah... Okay boss, I trust you know what you're talkin 'bout."

Hmmm, 2000 years and they're still working on the building.

Let's try another manifestation's message, or "blueprint"... "Well, what do we do?"

"Don't be an idiot. Do exactly what it says."

"It says to walk around the city and then blow our horns and the walls will tumble down."

"Okay, that'll save a lot of jack hammering and bull dozing to demo this place. What does it say after that?"

"Go in and kill every living thing in sight."

"Ok, yeah, we can do that. Ok, men, you heard him. Let's get to work"


Hmmm, God's plan? Go in and invade a land and kill anyone that puts up a fight.

I'm glad God has become a kinder gentler God. Oh wait a minute what were the Hindus and Buddhists doing while Judaism and Christianity were doing all this? Oh yeah, they had a totally different plan.

"What does your plan say?"

"We're going to be born again."

"Are you sure that sounds so.... Christian?"

"No, we're going to get reborn again, and again, and again until we get it right."

"Can't be. Thousands of years in the future Baha'u'llah isn't going to agree with this plan."

"So what?"

"So what? All plans have to agree. Are you sure it's not upside down or something?"

"Upside down? Who'd be dumb enough to read their plans upside down?"


Yes, all the plans are true and from one source. Yeah, right. How about an analogy of a jig saw puzzle? All the religions are part of that puzzle.

"Hmmm, how come some pieces don't fit? I better refer back to my Baha'i handbook.... "If a religion doesn't fit into puzzle, either force it in or trim the edges until it fits." "Ah, now I see."

 

[Evie]

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Hey Evie,

Referring to the posts about the Blueprints from God.... "Ah, hey boss... ah... Jesus left these blueprints, but I can't make heads or tails outta them."

"Let me see those." Holds them upside down. "Sure, looky here we put the plumbing in over there. And over here we'll put the garage. And, I don't know what this is, so we'll leave it out."

"Ah... Okay boss, I trust you know what you're talkin 'bout."

Hmmm, 2000 years and they're still working on the building.

Let's try another manifestation's message, or "blueprint"... "Well, what do we do?"

"Don't be an idiot. Do exactly what it says."

"It says to walk around the city and then blow our horns and the walls will tumble down."

"Okay, that'll save a lot of jack hammering and bull dozing to demo this place. What does it say after that?"

"Go in and kill every living thing in sight."

"Ok, yeah, we can do that. Ok, men, you heard him. Let's get to work"


Hmmm, God's plan? Go in and invade a land and kill anyone that puts up a fight.

I'm glad God has become a kinder gentler God. Oh wait a minute what were the Hindus and Buddhists doing while Judaism and Christianity were doing all this? Oh yeah, they had a totally different plan.

"What does your plan say?"

"We're going to be born again."

"Are you sure that sounds so.... Christian?"

"No, we're going to get reborn again, and again, and again until we get it right."

"Can't be. Thousands of years in the future Baha'u'llah isn't going to agree with this plan."

"So what?"

"So what? All plans have to agree. Are you sure it's not upside down or something?"

"Upside down? Who'd be dumb enough to read their plans upside down?"


Yes, all the plans are true and from one source. Yeah, right. How about an analogy of a jig saw puzzle? All the religions are part of that puzzle.

"Hmmm, how come some pieces don't fit? I better refer back to my Baha'i handbook.... "If a religion doesn't fit into puzzle, either force it in or trim the edges until it fits." "Ah, now I see."

I wonder if you realise how you sound. Whatever religion you are representative of, if you are an example, it would be best avoided.

 

[Evie]

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I wonder if you realise how you sound. Whatever religion you are representative of, if you are an example, it would be best avoided.

People ask questions about other religions and expect to receive answers in a respectful civilised manner.

 

[Evie]

Hey Evie,

Referring to the posts about the Blueprints from God.... "Ah, hey boss... ah... Jesus left these blueprints, but I can't make heads or tails outta them."

"Let me see those." Holds them upside down. "Sure, looky here we put the plumbing in over there. And over here we'll put the garage. And, I don't know what this is, so we'll leave it out."

"Ah... Okay boss, I trust you know what you're talkin 'bout."

Hmmm, 2000 years and they're still working on the building.

Let's try another manifestation's message, or "blueprint"... "Well, what do we do?"

"Don't be an idiot. Do exactly what it says."

"It says to walk around the city and then blow our horns and the walls will tumble down."

"Okay, that'll save a lot of jack hammering and bull dozing to demo this place. What does it say after that?"

"Go in and kill every living thing in sight."

"Ok, yeah, we can do that. Ok, men, you heard him. Let's get to work"


Hmmm, God's plan? Go in and invade a land and kill anyone that puts up a fight.

I'm glad God has become a kinder gentler God. Oh wait a minute what were the Hindus and Buddhists doing while Judaism and Christianity were doing all this? Oh yeah, they had a totally different plan.

"What does your plan say?"

"We're going to be born again."

"Are you sure that sounds so.... Christian?"

"No, we're going to get reborn again, and again, and again until we get it right."

"Can't be. Thousands of years in the future Baha'u'llah isn't going to agree with this plan."

"So what?"

"So what? All plans have to agree. Are you sure it's not upside down or something?"

"Upside down? Who'd be dumb enough to read their plans upside down?"


Yes, all the plans are true and from one source. Yeah, right. How about an analogy of a jig saw puzzle? All the religions are part of that puzzle.

"Hmmm, how come some pieces don't fit? I better refer back to my Baha'i handbook.... "If a religion doesn't fit into puzzle, either force it in or trim the edges until it fits." "Ah, now I see."

 

[Evie]

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Why is answer not in full? Does the truth sting that much?

 

[Evie]

The truth always ha
The truth always has power to hit a nerve. Judging from your response it sure hit a nerve in you.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Actually, yes. Space doesn't need walls. However, I wasn't talking about space like that. I was talking about how the walls create an empty room. Without the walls, there is no space/empty room. You need walls to define it.

It's the same with religion. Without TLC (whether you feel it's from god or from man isn't the point), it shapes how we define our beliefs. You need the walls to define your space. Each person's walls and spaces are different.

I mean, you can have unity Bahai definition by tearing down the walls since they are barriers. However, for unity so everyone agrees, tearing down the walls is counterproductive. You can live without walls. Not many people can. Both of your faiths are defined by god. Not "man made" dogma.

The walls and building analogy is useful. As Baha'is we are building a new community centre for the purpose of meeting peoples spiritual needs that will enable them to live in the community better. Eventually those community centres will become temples with associated institutions such as a medical centre, accommodation, education centre, and social agencies to meet the needs of those not so well off. For now the community centre serves a variety of functions ranging from devotions, education classes for all ages, community gatherings and administrative purposes. We create social spaces where everyone regardless of faith can come together and learn together.

In some ways these Baha'i centres will have common functions with Churches, Mosques, Synagogues, and Temples. As Baha'is we are not going around trying to literally break down the walls of the physical spaces used by these other faith groups. Rather we are developing a culture that encourages and empowers our community members to consort and associate with peoples of all faiths in a spirit of love and fellowship. That means inviting people very different from ourselves to our homes and community activities and accepting such invitations from others. The only walls we are breaking down are symbolic walls where one person says I can't mix with him because he is a Muslim or her because she is Buddhist.

I hope that makes sense.

I guess another comparison is how you pray to Bahaullah, a Catholic prays to Joseph. Both of you know either person isn't god himself. Except for Catholics know saints are human and not manifestations of god. That's the difference.

If you two were not alike, you'd worship Christ and his father only. No other person. Especially a manifestation and multiple religions in one.

The most powerful prayers for a Baha'i are those offered to God through His Manifestation. Nothing stopping us from praying directly to God. I'm not aware of any reason not to pray to saints or ancestors. We would never use statues of Baha'u'llah as like Muslims we shouldn't be making images of the prophet. However Catholics are not bound by Muslim or Baha'i law.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Whether it myth or legend, still the Bible is the story of the Jewish people. So where does real history start in the Bible? Creation... symbolic The Flood... symbolic. How about Abraham? Crossing the Red Sea? People getting thrown into a furnace and not getting burned? Real or all symbolic?

Oh, you might as well give me the Baha'i interpretation of the Battle of Armageddon too.

Let's call it spiritual history because although there are real persons and events, the story is mostly about man, God and God's Manifestations and how God interacts with man.

Creation I would begin with but a day is probably a Manifestation and in this cycle we have only about seven of them in the Bible. But which Ones are the seven spends on how you want to see it.

Adam, Moses, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah and maybe Abraham?

The battle of Armageddon. My understanding is the battle of Armageddon is the fight between good and evil which is still underway but that good will eventually win but there are other interpretations also.

Catastrophe, Armageddon and Millennium

 

[loverofhumanity]

They are one and the same.

Understand?



The inward means nothing without the outward. I can feel compassion all I want but if I don't help the homeless, that compassion is like having a crush and realizing you two aren't compatible when you decide to actually act to get to know each other. Stuck on infatuation.

Compassion is an action. Without the action, what exactly is compassion?

I have a lot of feelings but if I'm depressed in order for it to be considered depression it's more than just the blues. There are physical symptoms and physical thoughts (thoughts are physical given the information transmitted by neurons in the brain) that make what we call depression, depression.

Love isn't a feeling of its own. What is love if you aren't acting and no physical association of what you call love and another person calls it something else (that is not love at all)?

Do you understand me?



No. The love, compassion, and host of other things are within physical expression.

If that be the case, you can have a relationship with me just by thinking it, have a date, marriage, and die together without my saying a word or expressing similar appropriate feelings.

Christianity teaches love through actions. When one body comes together christ is present. The verbs are actions not isolated feelings.

Understand?

It's purpose is for actions to be made manifest. So I understand what you say that love or compassion without deeds are pointless.

 

[Vinayaka]

100,000 temples destroyed? Where and when was that?

Muslim conquests of the Indian subcontinent - Wikipedia

One Muslim invader bragged of his army killing 100 000 infidels in a single day.

This is the History Of Barbaric Timur , Who Made "100,000 Hindu slaves "

This information was retrieved from his own diary of events.

 

[Vinayaka]

With the Catholic-statue thing (not comparing to Hindu) it's physical "object" dependency not worship.

In Mauritius, where Catholics and Hindus competed for the peoples' faiths, you see roadshrine shrines where you can't tell if it's Hindu or Catholic until you look inside.

 

[Vinayaka]

You'd be free of course to visit some Baha'is if they were in your community or near-by .. I'd encourage you!

Yes of course you would. That's the way of religions that promote their faith. You would also encourage me to read the works of your prophets, start believing in manifestations, and all other ways of the Bahai.

Uhhh.. thanks, but no thanks. I'm not the gullible type subject to proselytizing antics.

 

[Vinayaka]

There are indeed self proclaimed prophets but then there are also the Ones God sends to humanity for our spiritual guidance.

We believe in and follow the God sent Ones.

And you determine this how?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yeah, I'm almost caught up. Catholic friends say they've changed a lot since Vatican II. Do you know anything about what got changed?

From so far I remember, they added reveration of Mary and her imaculation. They took out the wine and just have bread at mass saying hat having the bread

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yeah, I'm almost caught up. Catholic friends say they've changed a lot since Vatican II. Do you know anything about what got changed?

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Yeah, I'm almost caught up. Catholic friends say they've changed a lot since Vatican II. Do you know anything about what got changed?

They added the immaculate conception, if Im correct. They took out wine and just give bread saying the bread or wine is fine for taking both. Only during holidays both are given here. Further south of me both are given in all a parishes. So i guess it depends on parish finances. The parish here said they couldnt afford both.

A lot of people were upset with the change. I cant thinknof any others.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's purpose is for actions to be made manifest. So I understand what you say that love or compassion without deeds are pointless.

Love and compassion are deeds. Understand?