How are these Great Beings explained?

[Dawnofhope]

I know its both. If god's authority doesnt line up with scripture its no longer both. I agree it could be a crisis in faith though i dont see it both sence bahai cant talk to god without manifestations. If its both, you can have one without the other then its fine. Since god is dependent on scriptures (man..) how can it be both equally? If anything god dep. scripture would be primary and scripture based on god dependent on it not equal.

Its like saying you can get to your destination to your left and i ask which direction would you take left or right snd you say both.

There are different paths, and what works for you may not work for me, and vice versa. There is however, I believe one ultimate reality, one ultimate truth. Eventually, whether right or left, Abrahamic or Dharmic, theist or atheist, our paths converge either in this world or the next.

I'm happy to have the sacred scripture of the Abrahamic Faiths to guide me along my way. It seems to provide sensible and clear advice to get through this life. I have to acknowledge that there are many in the Dharmic traditions that live lives worthy of admiration. There are spiritual luminaries that burn brightly in the East.

 

[Vinayaka]

The Catholic Faith has done so - Bahai News -- A document by the Roman Catholic Church re the Baha'i Faith

I have found a few well balanced Catholics on Forum Discussions.

You're right, and thanks for this. Vatican 2 really toned things down, for the betterment of humanity.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There are different paths, and what works for you may not work for me, and vice versa. There is however, I believe one ultimate reality, one ultimate truth. Eventually, whether right or left, Abrahamic or Dharmic, theist or atheist, our paths converge either in this world or the next.

I'm happy to have the sacred scripture of the Abrahamic Faiths to guide me along my way. It seems to provide sensible and clear advice to get through this life. I have to acknowledge that there are many in the Dharmic traditions that live lives worthy of admiration. There are spiritual luminaries that burn brightly in the East.

Hmm. I guess in context Id answer my own question as you are going left and I go right. We will not meet but we can talk by walkie talkie. Unless i take your path or you take mine. Even if we are in the same forest.

 

[Dawnofhope]

And, unfortunately I don't really trust it, as the nature of Wiki is that anyone willing to take the time can edit, re-write, etc., and it is almost entirely written by Baha'is themselves. Still, it does say more than the direct official Baha'i site.

At least it can be edited and corrected by outsiders.

One of the strengths of the Baha'i faith being a scripture based religion is that anyone can access and read what the Central figures have written or said.

Unfortunately, when it comes to religion, many have strong views.

I honesty can think of no other website that is not affiliated to Baha'is that has consistent fair and balanced information.

It must be difficult to engage with the Baha'i here, if you feel we can not be trusted, and our websites are not fair. No wonder you are going to the Christians for answers.

 

[Dawnofhope]

The Catholic Faith has done so - Bahai News -- A document by the Roman Catholic Church re the Baha'i Faith

I have found a few well balanced Catholics on Forum Discussions.

Regards Tony

It is brief but informative and balanced. The Catholics are making genuine efforts to build bridges between different faiths.

 

[Vinayaka]

At least it can be edited and corrected by outsiders.

That is true, but it doesn't seem to have happened much. It's not that I don't trust Baha'i sources, its that I don't trust ANY sources. I learned to read between the lines to spot an agenda at a very early age. Perhaps it's a detriment, perhaps not. As a doctor, do you trust research done by the drug companies themselves on behalf of their own drug? I certainly wouldn't.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I have yet to observe any group, other than Islamic Extremists, and the Extreme Right getting that far. The occasional individual, sure. India was really different in this regard, as it was the majority being discriminated against and still is. Have you seen gays or women resort to violence? Of course it's a yes to minorities. The Tamils of Sri Lanka come to mind, and there are more.

Woman attacks man with her breasts for 'staring at her'

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So then Baha'u'llah isn't actually infallible, in your view. That's good to know, Tony. It's a huge step out of the box.

That is not what I said. But you know that.

Ties back into the Great Beings. Baha'u'llah was more than man. Baha'u'llah is a Manifestation of God.

"...Only when the lamp of search, of earnest striving, of longing desire, of passionate devotion, of fervid love, of rapture, and ecstasy, is kindled within the seeker’s heart, and the breeze of His loving-kindness is wafted upon his soul, will the darkness of error be dispelled, the mists of doubts and misgivings be dissipated, and the lights of knowledge and certitude envelop his being. At that hour will the Mystic Herald, bearing the joyful tidings of the Spirit, shine forth from the City of God resplendent as the morn, and, through the trumpet-blast of knowledge, will awaken the heart, the soul, and the spirit from the slumber of heedlessness. Then will the manifold favors and outpouring grace of the holy and everlasting Spirit confer such new life upon the seeker that he will find himself endowed with a new eye, a new ear, a new heart, and a new mind. He will contemplate the manifest signs of the universe, and will penetrate the hidden mysteries of the soul. Gazing with the eye of God, he will perceive within every atom a door that leadeth him to the stations of absolute certitude. He will discover in all things the mysteries of Divine Revelation, and the evidences of an everlasting Manifestation."

Not my will but God's be done is a prayer in the Bible. Not through my eyes but the Eyes of the Great Beings.

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

Hmm. I guess in context Id answer my own question as you are going left and I go right. We will not meet but we can talk by walkie talkie. Unless i take your path or you take mine. Even if we are in the same forest.

If you go East and I go West, eventually we meet again on the other side of the world!

 

[Vinayaka]

Woman attacks man with her breasts for 'staring at her'

A group? Where was the group? I agreed to some individuals.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

A stunt

Just a stunt

Cheers Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

That is true, but it doesn't seem to have happened much. It's not that I don't trust Baha'i sources, its that I don't trust ANY sources. I learned to read between the lines to spot an agenda at a very early age. Perhaps it's a detriment, perhaps not. As a doctor, do you trust research done by the drug companies themselves on behalf of their own drug? I certainly wouldn't.

The demise of publically funded research and the ascendancy of drug company funded research is a real problem IMHO.

 

[Vinayaka]

Not my will but God's be done is a prayer in the Bible. Not through my eyes but the Eyes of the Great Beings.

It's your eyes, Tony. Unless you're saying you're also a great being, and I don't believe you are. Man has no choice but to see things through his own eyes.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's your eyes, Tony. Unless you're saying you're also a great being, and I don't believe you are. Man has no choice but to see things through his own eyes.

There is a choice not to. Yes we struggle not to.

I spent 9 Years with a wonderful person that in the end they could no longer talk to me as I did not see life through my eyes but Baha'ullah's eyes.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

The demise of publically funded research and the ascendancy of drug company funded research is a real problem IMHO.

Indeed. So the description of a religion based entirely on the biased adherents of that religion is also a real problem, or not?

 

[Vinayaka]

There is a choice not to. Yes we struggle not to.

Not a choice I'm capable of. Best I can do is make an informed decision based on experience.

 

[Dawnofhope]

A group? Where was the group? I agreed to some individuals.

Its was just my bad taste humour.

I'm not aware of any vigilante feminist or gay rights groups going around attacking men.

You're right.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Not a choice I'm capable of. Best I can do is make an informed decision based on experience.

To which was part of the method that I used to made my decision.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Its was just my bad taste humour.

I'm not aware of any vigilante feminist or gay rights groups going around attacking men.

You're right.

Ha ha, nearly as good (or bad) as Aussie Humor

 

[Vinayaka]

I spent 9 Years with a person that in the end they could no longer talk to me as I did not see life through my eyes but Baha'ullah's eyes.

I believe you. I have a few people I won't talk to either. I can only be told I'm wrong and going to hell a limited number of times, before I walk away. The last one was a former colleague that came over to my house for a chat about old times.. She has an extremely feminist vision of the world, and managed to spend about 80% of her time insulting my life choices. So what in the world would I want her to come back? The odd part is she wouldn't realise, or even dream in her wildest imagination, that she was ever insulting. So she doesn't know, and never will, why I choose to delete her emails.