How are these Great Beings explained?

[Dawnofhope]

Indeed we do. But I like it. I used to be far more accepting of vulgar and racist jokes in my youth. But when you see genuine hurt from it, it changes you. I remember the day I confronted my principal on a 'bad taste' joke. Later, he came to appreciate that.

I like political correctness too as rights of religious minorities are respected, as well as women, ethnic minorities and those who identify as gay. Its not ok to call peaceful religions cults and incurable diseases, just as sexism, racism, and hatred of homosexuals is not OK. Then again we are all human and even monkeys fall from trees.

 

[CG Didymus]

True but when you put all of the warnings together either Baha’u’llah was from God or an extremely lucky guesser.

And if the technology age never happened as it didn’t for thousands of years then where would be Baha’u’llah’s ‘world unity’? Where would statements like ‘the world is but one country and mankind it’s citizens’ be if there were no world communications? An aweful lot of things had to just ‘fall into place’ so that His Revelation would be relevant and those things like scientific advancements were strangely brought the world closer to world unity.

Why give scientific advancements to war like people? Or was that part of the plan? To give people the knowledge of weapons that can destroy all life?

 

[CG Didymus]

You obviously aren't deeply experienced and capable in the art of 'cherry-picking'.

With time, patience, practice and adjusted mindset you will be able to point and accept 'here' whilst pointing and rejecting 'there'. It's just a matter of adjusting the whole wotrld to your particular dogma.

It's like ....ummmm.... ballet-dancing with the mind but you don't have to wear a tutu (if you don't want to).

Yes, but I'm willing to learn.

 

[CG Didymus]

Once again it is a question of degrees. I do not doubt the influence of any of these men on the course of history but do they really compare to Christ, Muhammad, and Buddha?

But those inspired by Jesus thought he was God. So false beliefs can bring inspiration?

 

[CG Didymus]

Baha’u’llah based His entire religion on world unity. In order for that to become a reality the technology had to appear. The world I don’t believe, could unite under the old ways of travel and communication.

If Baha'is are not going to run the world government, what do Baha'is expect? For a non-Baha'i secular government to run it? But to base it on a Baha'i model?

 

[CG Didymus]

You are again free to post a contradiction direct from the Writings of the Great Beings to supply authority to your view.

This is how we seperate what is Truth from the Great Beings and what is of mans ideas.

Regards Tony

Ah, Remember... Jesus didn't write anything. So will you accept a contradiction from a second or third hand source?

 

[CG Didymus]

I see a list of man made differences - Texts from the Founders are needed and compare them.

Regards Tony

Who was the founder of Hinduism?

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes of course.. as I predicted.

Where do you think these ideas that are restated came from? The thin air?

Yeah, come on quote from the founding manifestation that you don't believe in and nobody knows who that might be.

 

[CG Didymus]

661 plus 5 = 666

The start of the Umayyad Caliphate that resulted from the death of Islam's rightful successor Ali occurred 666 years after the birth of Christ.

I wonder if you are confusing the start of the Islamic Calendar (622 AD) with the beginning of the Umayyad caliphate (661 AD).

How long does the beast have power? Isn't it 1260 years? But you don't calculate it from 666AD. You go back to the 622 and then add the 1260 years so it lands on 1844.

And again, why do you insist that the mark of the beast is a year? But then why not the lunar years Baha'is use for the rest of the prophecy?

 

[CG Didymus]

I have no idea, lol. Whatever, I can expect mostly simplistic overgeneralisation.
Not reincarnation.
Not use of idols. (Temple worship)
Not in enlightened Gurus outside of the declared ones.
Not vegetarianism.
Not the vast scriptures outside the Vedas, and maybe the BG.
Not penance.
Not acceptance of homosexuals, or in Hinduism, the third gender.
Not daily sadhana.
Not moksha.
Not divinity within man.
Not the essential union of man and God.
Not a knowable God.

Yes, but look at all you have in common.

 

[loverofhumanity]

If Baha'is are not going to run the world government, what do Baha'is expect? For a non-Baha'i secular government to run it? But to base it on a Baha'i model?

The people of the world will make their own decisions regarding what type of government they want independent of the Baha’is. Tye model they choose is up to them. They may choose not to go with a Bahá’í model but some other form of government which all nations agree upon.

And as we are now we obey the laws of whatever nation we live in.

 

[Dawnofhope]

So all Trinitarian Christians are following a false man made doctrine. Which is pretty much all the major denominations of Christianity.

That's correct.

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So what does the Baha'i Faith teach about Zoroastrianism? Dualistic or not?

The Baha'i Faith was born out of Persia, which used to be Zoroastrian until the Muslims conquered it during the seventh century AD. Not surprisingly some of the early non-Muslim Baha'i converts were Zoroastrians. This paper explores the concept of messianic fulfilment of the Baha'i Faith in regards to Zoroastrianism that reads a little like Christ fulfilling Jewish prophecy. The dualism of Zoroastrianism like Messianic prophecy would be seen symbolically rather than literally.

Baha'u'llah as Zoroastrian saviour

 

[Dawnofhope]

But those inspired by Jesus thought he was God. So false beliefs can bring inspiration?

There were plenty of true beliefs (wheat) amidst the false beliefs (Tares).

 

[Dawnofhope]

How long does the beast have power? Isn't it 1260 years? But you don't calculate it from 666AD. You go back to the 622 and then add the 1260 years so it lands on 1844.

And again, why do you insist that the mark of the beast is a year? But then why not the lunar years Baha'is use for the rest of the prophecy?

We are talking about two separate but related periods. One is the Islamic dispensation from the 622 AD to 1844 AD which was 1260 (lunar) years and then the period of the Caliphates (false Islam) dominating true Islam 661 AD to 1922 AD. The beast had power for much of the Islamic dispensation.

We know the beast is an empire as with similar beasts in Daniel 7. There is consistency in numbers in Daniel and Revelation referring to time or dates.

 

[loverofhumanity]

How long does the beast have power? Isn't it 1260 years? But you don't calculate it from 666AD. You go back to the 622 and then add the 1260 years so it lands on 1844.

And again, why do you insist that the mark of the beast is a year? But then why not the lunar years Baha'is use for the rest of the prophecy?

The calculation of the 1260 days is 1260 years as the Bible says a Day is one year.

The Islamic year 1260 corresponds to our 1844. Any Islamic date converter will confirm that.

Calendar Converter

Revelation ch12 is speaking about Islam and after which 1260 years a man child will rule. The Bab declared His Mission in 1260 of the Muslim calendar which is our 1844.

Abdul-Baha goes into great depth about the interpretation of Rev ch 12 and it is worth looking at if you have time one day.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 67-72

The 1260 is not added to 622 which brings you to 1882 not 1844.

The 1260 refers to the year 1260 of the Islam calendar which is 1844. It’s not a calculation but a conversion.

That’s why around those years approaching 1260 of Islam there were expectations of a Promised One because to Muslims the Bible was talking about their calendar.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why give scientific advancements to war like people? Or was that part of the plan? To give people the knowledge of weapons that can destroy all life?

Remember that Baha’u’llah came well before the world wars broke out. He appealed to all the leaders and people to unite and warned that there were things that could destroy us.

Strange and astonishing things exist in the earth but they are hidden from the minds and the understanding of men. These things are capable of changing the whole atmosphere of the earth and their contamination would prove lethal.

We humans will go our own way despite good advice even from God Himself. It’s not as if we haven’t been warned a hundred years earlier but we have made our own bed so we have to sleep in it.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Why give scientific advancements to war like people? Or was that part of the plan? To give people the knowledge of weapons that can destroy all life?

It is up to people to choose the path they take in life. Its has become a very worn out argument to blame our shortcomings on God.

Better question, why has not man yet learned the obvious lessons?

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

I don't think it's that unusual to have different ancient people to have a mythology about where they came from and about the gods they believe are in control and that created everything. But some myths are believed true while others not.

Yes it gives them meaning to their culture. It also is their own way of expressing their beliefs.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But those inspired by Jesus thought he was God. So false beliefs can bring inspiration?

Lack of Humility breeds pride in man. Pride that initiates thoughts that he knows more then He does.

Another quote will show that Christ shows His connection with the Father, Baha'u'llah and suggests it is the Father that Reveals God.

King James Bible - John 1:18 - "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

New Living Translation - "No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us."

Notice how the thoughts of a translator can alter how this is seen;

International Standard Version - "No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him."

New International Version - "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."

New Living Translation - "No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us."

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Ah, Remember... Jesus didn't write anything. So will you accept a contradiction from a second or third hand source?

Translations can be an issue. It shows we must be Just in our search and not too quick to judge on single word meanings, but look at it as a whole.

Regards Tony