How are these Great Beings explained?

[Dawnofhope]

Hindus aren't the ones out there proselytizing, trying to change everyone else to their ways. Why? It's because we do accept people for who they are, their belief system. Proselytizing faiths, practically by definition, don't. Like I've said may times, what the world needs is mutual respect, not some prophet to save only the chosen people.

I don't like the word troll anymore than I like the word proselytize. They are both pejorative, vague terms that can mean a multitude of things, all with varying degrees of negative connotations. So to use either term is to have a dig at someone. So when you stop using the term proselytize, I will be more inclined to listen when you talk about mutual respect.

Interesting with my Baha'i friend and the JW, two faith adherents with belief systems that outwardly seem to utterly contradict and insult each other, yet for the most part as individuals they get on fine. We can too. We simply agree to disagree.

 

[Dawnofhope]

RF moderation is swift and just.
Just push the report-button and you will be attended very quickly.

I personally have never reported a 'bad-post' in many years. The five members who have challenged most on this thread have written many thousands of posts, and are still here after many years, which might show that we can behave ourselves.

However, I have had to defend against some naughty posts on this thread.............. how about you?

Trolling. The RF Definition:-
1) Content (whether words or images) that most people would find needlessly offensive, especially when such content is posted just to get a rise out of somebody and/or is not part of a reasoned argument.

2) Defamation, slander, or misrepresentation of a member's beliefs/arguments, or that of a particular group, culture, or religion. This includes altering the words of another member to change their meaning when using the quote feature.

3) Antagonism, bullying, or harassment - including but not limited to personal attacks, slander, and misrepresentation - of a member across multiple content areas of the forums. Repeatedly targeting or harassing members of particular groups will also be considered bullying.

As soon as we point the finger at another person there are three pointing straight back at us. I use the word troll and I am perversely self satisfied to have provoked a response.Whose trolling who?

I have neither reported nor been reported...well, not on this thread. We're all mature adults here and have confidence we can self regulate as a group.

 

[oldbadger]

ANCIENT ALIENS.
A Proposal for the existence of these Great Beings.
Well, I've heard some tales on this thread about Great Beings, and some have been strange enough for me to feel that it is quite reasonable to present this proposal for Mankind's existence.
Basically, the World was formed and developed as scientists now believe, and all flora and fauna developed by evolution ....... but not mankind. We know beyond doubt that Suns have planetary systems similar to our own, and life on other worlds is an absolute certainty. Some evolved lifeforms will be primitive when compared to ourselves, and others will be hugely advanced. That advanced life could have come this way and adjust ape DNA to produce early mankind would have be easy for them, and then evolution would take our further development to this present stage.
Of course the bible makes mention of advanced life interaction quite often, and reports such as Elijah's collection and departure by space ship are well known. Source shown below.
Obviously the writer is comfortable with other members making fun of this proposal, as long as fun can be returned to them about their ideas.
2 Kings {2:11} And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. {2:12} And Elisha saw [it,] and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more:

 

[oldbadger]

I meant figuratively.

However, these kinds of oppression and abuses that go on only highlight the world’s lack of unity because unitedly the world could without force, prevent any regime from abusing its own people. They could cut all trade and finance or as a last resort intervene but only empty UN resolutions show clearly that a world divided amongst itself allows the dictator to thrive and human rights abuses to flourish.

With world solidarity these problems and many others could be easily solved.

Yeah.......... but not many in the World believe that a man who decided to give title to himself as 'Glory of God' has the right answers. Several on here don't either.
Where was Bahai when Hitler was ravaging a third of the World?

 

[oldbadger]

As soon as we point the finger at another person there are three pointing straight back at us. I use the word troll and I am perversely self satisfied to have provoked a response.Whose trolling who?

Gosh............ that old chestnut.
That has to be the most boring cliche in English.
Of course you provoked a response.
I think it was a silly thing to do....... it was you who recently wrote posts showing that you appreciate how hot exchanges can cool down so well, and then you pop a comment like that in.
A daft idea.

I have neither reported nor been reported...well, not on this thread. We're all mature adults here and have confidence we can self regulate as a group.

I don't report..... haven't reported anything for years.
But nobody here afaik is a troll. Trolls don't last days on RF..... the mods are professional troll-busters.

I've heard that the real trolls lurk the facebook pages, but neither my wife nor I use it.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

ANCIENT ALIENS.

Ha ha, seen this a few times now, a very modern carving

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yeah.......... but not many in the World believe that a man who decided to give title to himself as 'Glory of God' has the right answers. Several on here don't either.
Where was Bahai when Hitler was ravaging a third of the World?

The question is, why was the world still ignoring His advice?

If the King of Berlin had implemented the advice in the late 1800's.....well!!!

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

Although we are very few in number yet I have not come across any fear in our communities of people coming to convert us to their religion. We are free to choose our own religion or leave it we just cannot create mischief that’s all, but people of all Faiths are free to visit us and more than welcome to convert us.

We don’t have a fear of losing members and are not controlled by such sentiments. So for instance I would feel perfectly safe leaving my wife with a hundred women believers in any Faith for weeks and tyey could try and use all the inducements they like to get her to change.

One of the main reasons it doesn’t work with Baha’is is because we already accept the other religions.

Yeah.......... but not many in the World believe that a man who decided to give title to himself as 'Glory of God' has the right answers. Several on here don't either.
Where was Bahai when Hitler was ravaging a third of the World?

I think that had the world’s people’s become lovers of humanity and not nationalism then the Jews would never have been persecuted nor would Germans have supported Hitler. The essence of Baha’u’llah’s teachings teaches to see all religionists and all nationalities and races as our own family.

 

[loverofhumanity]

ANCIENT ALIENS.
A Proposal for the existence of these Great Beings.
Well, I've heard some tales on this thread about Great Beings, and some have been strange enough for me to feel that it is quite reasonable to present this proposal for Mankind's existence.
Basically, the World was formed and developed as scientists now believe, and all flora and fauna developed by evolution ....... but not mankind. We know beyond doubt that Suns have planetary systems similar to our own, and life on other worlds is an absolute certainty. Some evolved lifeforms will be primitive when compared to ourselves, and others will be hugely advanced. That advanced life could have come this way and adjust ape DNA to produce early mankind would have be easy for them, and then evolution would take our further development to this present stage.
Of course the bible makes mention of advanced life interaction quite often, and reports such as Elijah's collection and departure by space ship are well known. Source shown below.
Obviously the writer is comfortable with other members making fun of this proposal, as long as fun can be returned to them about their ideas.
2 Kings {2:11} And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. {2:12} And Elisha saw [it,] and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more:

Sounds very reasonable to me. We are told that man has always existed and that also there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe so your theory is very reasonable.

 

[loverofhumanity]

ANCIENT ALIENS.
A Proposal for the existence of these Great Beings.
Well, I've heard some tales on this thread about Great Beings, and some have been strange enough for me to feel that it is quite reasonable to present this proposal for Mankind's existence.
Basically, the World was formed and developed as scientists now believe, and all flora and fauna developed by evolution ....... but not mankind. We know beyond doubt that Suns have planetary systems similar to our own, and life on other worlds is an absolute certainty. Some evolved lifeforms will be primitive when compared to ourselves, and others will be hugely advanced. That advanced life could have come this way and adjust ape DNA to produce early mankind would have be easy for them, and then evolution would take our further development to this present stage.
Of course the bible makes mention of advanced life interaction quite often, and reports such as Elijah's collection and departure by space ship are well known. Source shown below.
Obviously the writer is comfortable with other members making fun of this proposal, as long as fun can be returned to them about their ideas.
2 Kings {2:11} And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. {2:12} And Elisha saw [it,] and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more:

Just found this which seems to back up your theory.

Shoghi Effendi did make one unequivocal statement of ETI in the authorized Writings when he said, "'Abdu'l-Bahá stated there are other worlds than ours which are inhabited by beings capable of knowing God." (Light of Divine Guidance, Vol. 2, 82) "Worlds" is plural meaning more than one, other than our own. That means there are at least two more distinct civilizations that are evolving on other planets.

 

[oldbadger]

Ha ha, seen this a few times now, a very modern carving

Regards Tony

Well, of course it's modern, in comparison with Earth's history.

Alright...... try this one.
I mean............ the reports in the bible are amazing.
Bahauallah may have known about all this...... just didn't think you were ready for it.

 

[oldbadger]

Sounds very reasonable to me. We are told that man has always existed and that also there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe so your theory is very reasonable.

Sure.
Imagine that, Erik von Daniken rides again.
He's been writing about this for 60 years.

 

[oldbadger]

Just found this which seems to back up your theory.

Shoghi Effendi did make one unequivocal statement of ETI in the authorized Writings when he said, "'Abdu'l-Bahá stated there are other worlds than ours which are inhabited by beings capable of knowing God." (Light of Divine Guidance, Vol. 2, 82) "Worlds" is plural meaning more than one, other than our own. That means there are at least two more distinct civilizations that are evolving on other planets.

That's not bad.
If you think about how many billions of Galaxies there are, and how many billions of solar systems in each Galaxy and then guesstimate that if only one in a thousand solar systems has life, why, the results are rather massive.
So.,...... yeah....... a good start.

There's an ancient alien expert on RF, I think.

 

[Vinayaka]

One would have to prove they did not exist and not just make a blanket statement as such. A person would have to prove that there was not a Krishna that inspired Millions and continue to do so, that there was not a Zoroaster, a Abraham, a Moses, a Jesus Christ and Muhammad that did likewise. That they had nothing extra special that achieved this Unity of Thought.

Proof goes both ways, always. In my view, nobody knows.

 

[Vinayaka]

I don't like the word troll anymore than I like the word proselytize. They are both pejorative, vague terms that can mean a multitude of things, all with varying degrees of negative connotations. So to use either term is to have a dig at someone. So when you stop using the term proselytize, I will be more inclined to listen when you talk about mutual respect.

Interesting with my Baha'i friend and the JW, two faith adherents with belief systems that outwardly seem to utterly contradict and insult each other, yet for the most part as individuals they get on fine. We can too. We simply agree to disagree.

The only people I have ever met that don't think Baha'is proselytize are the Baha'is themselves. I've never seen it as a pejorative word. My Mormon missionary neighbours used it as a description of what they had to do so many hours a day. Calling it 'sharing' is just deception. It's proselytizing and everyone knows it.

Besides all that, in a debate, one side doesn't get to decide on the definition of certain words. Definitions are open to debate, as part of the debate.

Ex-Baha'i Story: Too much proselytizing and fundraising

 

[Vinayaka]

Although we are very few in number yet I have not come across any fear in our communities of people coming to convert us to their religion. We are free to choose our own religion or leave it we just cannot create mischief that’s all, but people of all Faiths are free to visit us and more than welcome to convert us.

Of the many ex-Baha'is I've talked to on-line, the most common reason certainly isn't that they were converted away from it. It's that they became disillusioned with Baha'i teachings, or discovered it no longer made sense to them. Most who got converted to Baha'i stopped practicing because they found out about the homosexuality, gender equality, or other problems, and realised they were deceived initially. Born Baha'is leave for the same reason ... they just realise that it's mostly been a lie, and want to spread their wings. So there are many reasons.

I think most people who leave any religions just do it on their own accord, and the most common destination is 'no religion'. It's also common in mixed faith marriages for one to switch in hopes of marital harmony.

 

[oldbadger]

The only people I have ever met that don't think Baha'is proselytize are the Baha'is themselves. I've never seen it as a pejorative word. My Mormon missionary neighbours used it as a description of what they had to do so many hours a day. Calling it 'sharing' is just deception. It's proselytizing and everyone knows it.

Besides all that, in a debate, one side doesn't get to decide on the definition of certain words. Definitions are open to debate, as part of the debate.

Sharing? I missed that. On this thread there cannot have been many Bahai posts that did not sell..... sorry, share Bahai. I don't mind that because many Christian Creeds sell.... sorry, evangelise as well.

So let me share some ideas with you.......
Knock Knock...........
Wot!
Good evening, I'm calling at all your neighbours in the area, introducing the wonderful news that aliens landed and genetically modified apes so as to ....
S*d Off!
Well, I would Sir, it's just a question of explaing that the reason why European Humans is dirty whitish pinky is because the European....
I'll get my bloody gun....!
Wow! I love guns! What have you got? Of course, aliens are so highly developed that they don't need....
BLAM!............ BLAM!
Silence.........................

And that is why folks don't know nuiffin' about Ancient Aliens.

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes, there is a certain building frustration in all of this. I guess I can add 'troll' to my growing list now. I think Whitestone's posts got deleted, I couldn't find them. You have a number still?

Whitestone goes back to page 809 posts 16173, 16176 and 16178.

 

[Vinayaka]

Whitestone goes back to page 809 posts 16173, 16176 and 16178.

Thanks.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Well, of course it's modern, in comparison with Earth's history.

Alright...... try this one.
I mean............ the reports in the bible are amazing.
Bahauallah may have known about all this...... just didn't think you were ready for it.

Well the astronaught was a 1992 Spanish Cathedral restoration.

Baha'u'llah has given great insight on the subject of the age of creation, its extent and the existence of more beings and creatures. A unity of mind is required before we will unlock portals opening to a full understanding of these subjects.

Maybe you have not looked.

Regards Tony