How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

[Skywalker]

2.4 billion people disagree with you.

That's a minority of the overall human population.

 

[Rival]

That's a minority of the overall human population.

If we include Muslims and Baha'is, who also believe in Jesus, it's nearly 5 billion.

 

[Skywalker]

If we include Muslims and Baha'is, who also believe in Jesus, it's nearly 5 billion.

Jesus is the word most commonly used as a curse word. They never say Buddha or Mohammed it's always Jesus.

 

[Harel13]

I believe that following the teachings of Jesus are not convenient for our human nature and people want to suppress beliefs that they secretly agree with.

So you are unable to provide evidence for your claim, which is a seemingly historical claim. I would expect such a claim to have some evidence.

 

[Rival]

Jesus is the word most commonly used as a curse word. They never say Buddha or Mohammed it's always Jesus.

In Christian countries, not in non-Christian ones.

 

[Skywalker]

The Jewish liturgy is not like the Christian one. In the Christian one they read the 'OT' and the 'NT' in a year side by side. The whole Tanakh is not utilised like this in Jewish worship. There are set portions that are read.

Why is Isaiah 53 skipped in ways that other chapters aren't? How Do Orthodox Jews Read Isaiah 53? - BJU Seminary

We usually think of Isaiah 53 as a unit; from a structural and literary standpoint, however, the passage actually runs from 52:13 to 53:12. Here’s why that’s significant. Every year around September one of the scheduled Sabbath readings is Isaiah 51:12-52:12. Notice where this reading stops? What do you suppose the following Sabbath haftarah reading is? Isaiah 54:1-10. That still might seem like mere coincidence, except for the fact that within a seven-week period, the Sabbath haftarah readings cover Isaiah 49, 50, 51, 52 (up to 52:12), 54, 55, and 56. It’s hard to escape the impression that Isaiah 53 has been surgically removed from circulation in terms of any regular, public, Jewish exposure to it. You cannot see what you will not look at.

 

[Rival]

Why is Isaiah 53 skipped in ways that other chapters aren't?

It isn't. Will you please drop this asinine claim you cannot backup. Read any Jewish commentary on Tanakh. Any. Isaiah 53 is right there.

 

[Skywalker]

In Christian countries, not in non-Christian ones.

Many Christians do not read the Bible or follow the teachings of Christ it's more of a tradition to go to church.

 

[Skywalker]

It isn't. Will you please drop this asinine claim you cannot backup. Read any commentary on Tanakh. Any. Isaiah 53 is right there.

I'm talking about readings in the synagagues. They go straight from Isaiah 52 to Isaiah 54.

 

[Rival]

Many Christians do not read the Bible or follow the teachings of Christ it's more of a tradition to go to church.

So? You're not the arbiter of who is what.

 

[Rival]

I'm talking about readings in the synagagues. They go straight from Isaiah 52 to Isaiah 54.

No they don't. Haftarot don't work that way. They're not in that kind of order.

 

[Skywalker]

So? You're not the arbiter of who is what.

I'm not saying who is and who isn't a Christian I'm saying that I think many Christians are secular. It's like there are secular Muslims.

 

[Rival]

I'm not saying who is and who isn't a Christian I'm saying that I think many Christians are secular. It's like there are secular Muslims.

That doesn't mean they're not Christians.

 

[Skywalker]

That doesn't mean they're not Christians.

Being a secular Christian doesn't involve following the difficult teachings of Jesus therefore you can't quote numbers of people who believe in Jesus to say that following the teachings of Jesus is not inconvenient.

 

[Rival]

Being a secular Christian doesn't involve following the difficult teachings of Jesus therefore you can't quote numbers of people who believe in Jesus to say that following the teachings of Jesus is not inconvenient.

So do you have all your stuff in common with other folks?

Have you given it all to the poor?

Do you love Jesus more than your parents?

Are you an itinerant?

Have you ever lusted or hated?

 

[Skywalker]

So do you have all your stuff in common with other folks?

Have you given it all to the poor?

Do you love Jesus more than your parents?

Are you an itinerant?

Have you ever lusted or hated?

Many people who believe in Jesus don't really follow his teachings.

 

[Rival]

Many people who believe in Jesus don't really follow his teachings.

So you don't either, I gather?

 

[Skywalker]

So you don't either, I gather?

I try to not use foul language or listen to unhealthy music.

 

[Rival]

I try to not use foul language or listen to unhealthy music.

That's great but Jesus told you to give all you have to the poor. The earliest Christians had everything in common; they owned nothing. They travelled from place to place preaching. Jesus had no home and neither had his disciples.

 

[Skywalker]

That's great but Jesus told you to give all you have to the poor. The earliest Christians had everything in common; they owned nothing. They travelled from place to place preaching. Jesus had no home and neither had his disciples.

I believe that a lot of the things that people spend money on are vanity.